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#1 chevrolet

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Posted 28 February 2020 - 03:35 PM

We have a par 3, there is a cart/path running down the left hand side of the hole. The tee shot lands on the fairway on the left hand side of the path, a few inches from the side of the path (gravel path, no concrete). For a right handed player, play it where it lies, no problem.

 

For a left handed player, they have to stand on the path to address/play the ball. The left hander thinks they should be entitled to a drop (so that they are standing on the fairway rather than the path).

 

I couldn't see a problem with playing the ball as it lies. The ball was lying on the grass, there weren't any other obstructions, just the fact that the player was standing on the path. 

 

Anyway, my view is that there shouldn't be any relief.

 

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#2 VijayJay

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Posted 28 February 2020 - 03:51 PM

Left handers already have enough going against them in this world.
Have you ever tried throwing a ball with your left hand, it's damn near impossible.


They are allowed a free drop because the obstruction is obstructing their stance.

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Posted 28 February 2020 - 04:19 PM

We have a par 3, there is a cart/path running down the left hand side of the hole. The tee shot lands on the fairway on the left hand side of the path, a few inches from the side of the path (gravel path, no concrete). For a right handed player, play it where it lies, no problem.

 

For a left handed player, they have to stand on the path to address/play the ball. The left hander thinks they should be entitled to a drop (so that they are standing on the fairway rather than the path).

 

I couldn't see a problem with playing the ball as it lies. The ball was lying on the grass, there weren't any other obstructions, just the fact that the player was standing on the path. 

 

Anyway, my view is that there shouldn't be any relief.

 

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The player has interference with his stance by the cart path.  The player is entitled to relief.



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Posted 28 February 2020 - 07:22 PM

 

For a left handed player, they have to stand on the path to address/play the ball. The left hander thinks they should be entitled to a drop (so that they are standing on the fairway rather than the path).

 

 

Of course, depending on the width of the path and the distance between the ball and the path, the relief (stance) for a left hander will almost certainly be on the fairway to the left of the path.



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Posted 28 February 2020 - 09:15 PM

We have a par 3, there is a cart/path running down the left hand side of the hole. The tee shot lands on the fairway on the left hand side of the path, a few inches from the side of the path (gravel path, no concrete). For a right handed player, play it where it lies, no problem.

 

For a left handed player, they have to stand on the path to address/play the ball. The left hander thinks they should be entitled to a drop (so that they are standing on the fairway rather than the path).

 

I couldn't see a problem with playing the ball as it lies. The ball was lying on the grass, there weren't any other obstructions, just the fact that the player was standing on the path. 

 

Anyway, my view is that there shouldn't be any relief.

 

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While your view may be that you shouldn't get relief if standing on a path , would it be the same if the obstruction you had to stand on was a bench or other larger obstruction?  Maybe it would be helpful to take a look at Rule 16.


Edited by ColinCL, 28 February 2020 - 09:18 PM.


#6 golfguy33

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Posted 28 February 2020 - 10:32 PM

In many situations where relief is required, the position of your stance and or feet is sometimes the only thing that is to be ascertained, with the ball being totally clear of any obstruction...



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Posted 29 February 2020 - 03:49 AM

Of course, depending on the width of the path and the distance between the ball and the path, the relief (stance) for a left hander will almost certainly be on the fairway to the left of the path.

Of course, the "fairway" is irrelevant in determining the nearest point of complete relief.



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Posted 29 February 2020 - 06:36 AM

Of course, the "fairway" is irrelevant in determining the nearest point of complete relief.

The OP said there was fairway to the left of the path. No mention of anything else.



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Posted 29 February 2020 - 09:59 AM

We have a par 3, there is a cart/path running down the left hand side of the hole. The tee shot lands on the fairway on the left hand side of the path, a few inches from the side of the path (gravel path, no concrete). For a right handed player, play it where it lies, no problem.
 
For a left handed player, they have to stand on the path to address/play the ball. The left hander thinks they should be entitled to a drop (so that they are standing on the fairway rather than the path).
 
I couldn't see a problem with playing the ball as it lies. The ball was lying on the grass, there weren't any other obstructions, just the fact that the player was standing on the path. 
 
Anyway, my view is that there shouldn't be any relief.
 
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Rule 16 is the relevant Rule. The purpose of the Rule and why the player is entitled to Relief is given in the PURPOSE statement.
Further down read 16.1a which explains that the player’s stance is part of the interference.
The quality of the lie of the ball is irrelevant.
It’s worth noting that if you have a nice lie and decide to take relief the lie after the drop might be anything, good or bad.
Always think about the possibilities before lifting your ball in a relief situation.
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