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#16 Lukos87

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 04:04 PM

The two most glaring:
Ranfurlie not ranked at all on AGD, on GA its 60
West Australian not ranked at all on GA, on AGD its 56

The common theme in a lot of these seems to be GA ranks a lot of Victoria courses higher than AGD does. Some state based biases here one way or another?


I think the GA ranking panel is around 40-50 people where the AGD is around 180 spread all over the Australia in an attempt to get a more accurate snap shot of the less visited courses.
The GA panel may have a large percentage of their panel in major cities.

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 04:14 PM

these rankings are always subject to opinion and controversy.
what makes a great course anyway.

How do the judges rate the courses ?
, do the judging panel actually play the courses ? or just have a nice dinner in clubhouse with committee.(the better the meal the higher the ranking?)

why do they do these ratings ..... to sell magazine...

AGD is a score based ranking per course, which is also subject to arguement on the values.
Shot values= 0-20 points
Resistance to scoring = 0-10 points
Design variety= 0-10 points
Memorability= 0-10 points
Aesthetics= 0-10 points
Conditioning= 0-10 points
Ambience= 0-10 points
Total score out of 80

Yes the judges actually do play the courses and are requested to play a minimum of 25 over the 2 year period.
I believe receiving free food/beverages/goods from a course are grounds to be removed from either panel.

Edited by Lukos87, 04 March 2020 - 04:15 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2020 - 04:25 PM

Ranfurlie was in the 100-125 range for AGD.
As for Port Fairy even through it does have a few very boring holes 18 in particular I found that to be a great course, it has some brilliant stretches of holes and demands some great shot making.
I’ve never seen leongatha but would assume it falls under the same umbrella of a few other courses. They are just in areas people won’t particully travel to for golf. Same as Lang Lang and a few others.

Well I hope those posts made a little bit of sense at least 😂
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Posted 04 March 2020 - 07:20 PM

Is there guidance as to what "shot values" means?
Resistance to scoring means is it a difficult course unless you are really good? Or does it mean its hard irrespective of skill level?
Which criteria is there for enjoyment/fun?
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Posted 04 March 2020 - 08:43 PM

Is there guidance as to what "shot values" means?
Resistance to scoring means is it a difficult course unless you are really good? Or does it mean its hard irrespective of skill level?
Which criteria is there for enjoyment/fun?


Dunno. You’ll probably need to find an issue which explains them in detail.
Funny you should only mention those two. I find aesthetics and ambience to be the very odd ones.

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 09:14 PM

I agree those two are ethereal as well.
In the end, the rankings are not a science. It's there to drum up interest and sell mags. For the clubs it's a great selling point so they want to be on the list. For the non-affilated golfer? People shouldn't take it so personally, you are allowed to rank courses however you like. But posting on a forum like this - be prepared to defend your criteria.
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Posted 05 March 2020 - 04:42 AM

I agree those two are ethereal as well.
In the end, the rankings are not a science. It's there to drum up interest and sell mags. For the clubs it's a great selling point so they want to be on the list. For the non-affilated golfer? People shouldn't take it so personally, you are allowed to rank courses however you like. But posting on a forum like this - be prepared to defend your criteria.


Who’s defending what now ?
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#23 Crankyscott

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Posted 05 March 2020 - 05:20 AM

Wasnt referring to you and the AGD criteria
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Posted 05 March 2020 - 05:43 AM

Ranfurlie was in the 100-125 range for AGD.
As for Port Fairy even through it does have a few very boring holes 18 in particular I found that to be a great course, it has some brilliant stretches of holes and demands some great shot making.
I’ve never seen leongatha but would assume it falls under the same umbrella of a few other courses. They are just in areas people won’t particully travel to for golf. Same as Lang Lang and a few others.

Well I hope those posts made a little bit of sense at least

I would hope that being a little bit more remote wouldn't effect a course's rating. I understand that maybe less raters would go there but volume of raters shouldn't equate to higher ratings anyway.


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Posted 05 March 2020 - 05:49 AM

AGD is a score based ranking per course, which is also subject to arguement on the values.
Shot values= 0-20 points
Resistance to scoring = 0-10 points
Design variety= 0-10 points

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Memorability= 0-10 points
Aesthetics= 0-10 points
Conditioning= 0-10 points
Ambience= 0-10 points
Total score out of 80

Yes the judges actually do play the courses and are requested to play a minimum of 25 over the 2 year period.
I believe receiving free food/beverages/goods from a course are grounds to be removed from either panel.

Interesting criteria, but if look at factors above the top 3 are not going to change much from year to year , unless course does major redesign of holes.

 

conditioning can be measured on a scale of 1 to 10.(and subject to time of year)

 

ambience, memorability and Aesthetics are highly variable and subjective and difficult to measure accurately.

 

These might explain why courses take a big leap up scale one year and drop out of top 100 the next.


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Posted 05 March 2020 - 05:50 AM

I would hope that being a little bit more remote wouldn't effect a course's rating. I understand that maybe less raters would go there but volume of raters shouldn't equate to higher ratings anyway.

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That was just an assumption, assuming that each ranking does have a minimum amount of rankings required to be included.
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Posted 05 March 2020 - 05:53 AM

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That was just an assumption, assuming that each ranking does have a minimum amount of rankings required to be included.

That's a good point. Does anyone know the answer to that one?



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Posted 05 March 2020 - 06:14 PM

I agree those two are ethereal as well.
In the end, the rankings are not a science. It's there to drum up interest and sell mags. For the clubs it's a great selling point so they want to be on the list. For the non-affilated golfer? People shouldn't take it so personally, you are allowed to rank courses however you like. But posting on a forum like this - be prepared to defend your criteria.

Sorry but you're taking all the fun out of this. I'm out.


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Posted 05 March 2020 - 10:12 PM

I've just read a fabulous article about one of the main GCA's in Oz and how anything that he has been associated with outside of the top 10 ( 7 courses ) are rated 8 to 12 places higher in one mag versus the other rankings !

 

Shows how the rankers can be swayed...


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Posted 07 March 2020 - 04:39 AM

I've just read a fabulous article about one of the main GCA's in Oz and how anything that he has been associated with outside of the top 10 ( 7 courses ) are rated 8 to 12 places higher in one mag versus the other rankings !

 

Shows how the rankers can be swayed...

Different rating criteria?






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