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Posted 17 February 2020 - 02:31 AM

If I am correct and WHS is now in use down there, how are people getting on the non-rounding issue of CH to produce the PH?



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 02:52 PM

The final result gets rounded: .5 up, <.5 down.
Same as we had before.
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Posted 17 February 2020 - 03:12 PM

If I am correct and WHS is now in use down there, how are people getting on the non-rounding issue of CH to produce the PH?

 

when enter our Gofl link number in to  the club computer for a competition  it gives us a card with competition of day,usually stableford and handicap as a number ie 15.

then we go out and play.

at end of round enter our hole scores in and stableford result is recorded


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Posted 17 February 2020 - 07:02 PM

I was trying to find out if people were having any problem in having to calculate the Course Handicap to 1 dec place and using the un-rounded result to calculate the Playing Handicap (if the allowance was not 100%).

 

It seems that you get the fully calculated figure automatically though.

 

What do you do for a general play round?



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 07:38 PM

I was trying to find out if people were having any problem in having to calculate the Course Handicap to 1 dec place and using the un-rounded result to calculate the Playing Handicap (if the allowance was not 100%).
 
It seems that you get the fully calculated figure automatically though.
 
What do you do for a general play round?


General play is usually in a club comp. and it goes to handicap.
If you are to play a 'social round' (not formally handicapped), you can call up your handicap on GA's web site (everyone has a login) and get your index. There is a panel where you can choose the venue where you intend to play, choose the particular course (tee), click the [Calculate] button and get the playing cap.
Alternatively, with your index, you can refer to charts in the clubhouse and get your playing handicap.

Some social groups do their own informal handicapping using whatever scheme they think up.
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Posted 17 February 2020 - 11:21 PM

Are 4BBB and matchplay 'authorised formats' in Australia?

 

If so, are Playing Handicap including the appropriate allowance automatically?



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Posted 18 February 2020 - 05:09 PM

Are 4BBB and matchplay 'authorised formats' in Australia?
 
If so, are Playing Handicap including the appropriate allowance automatically?


Yes. Each players Playing Handicap is used and if an average or other discount is used for the team it is based on the PHs.
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Posted 18 February 2020 - 07:02 PM

All seems very well organised



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Posted 19 February 2020 - 06:18 AM

Are 4BBB and matchplay 'authorised formats' in Australia?

 

If so, are Playing Handicap including the appropriate allowance automatically?

we play 2BBB (really better name than 4BBB).

 

at my club, most 2bbb are played where both players play individual stableford or Par rounds, scores are entered hole by hole into computer, pairs players together and then works out the best ball score.

 

this works also because sometimes partners for day may not be in same group.

 

This assumes all players play off the same tee ie (white)(middle tees) or Blue

not sure how it will go with mixed tees.

 

The other way we play some events is to play with partner and rather than playing individual round it really is best ball score for hole once the best for "team is in pick up"

This format is much more fun and the one I prefer as can really go for it.

 

No allowances are made and daily handicaps are as per the formula.


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Posted 19 February 2020 - 06:27 AM

Are 4BBB and matchplay 'authorised formats' in Australia?

 

If so, are Playing Handicap including the appropriate allowance automatically?

The only match play I play and even Old Bogey plays is in inter club pennant.

 

here the handicap of day is calculated as per normal, BUT the difference in handicap is what determines the strokes.

Ie if I play OLD Bogey off 19 and I am off 10 then OB gets shots only on the 9 hardest holes on course.

 

Golf Australia also has published a match play index rating which clubs use for pennant.

this spreads the index evenly over the course, regardless of the difficulty of the holes.

in my match above with OB according to the index where giving 9 he would actually get a shot on the holes 2,4, 6 8 10 12 14 16 & 18).


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Posted 19 February 2020 - 10:13 AM

The only match play I play and even Old Bogey plays is in inter club pennant.

here the handicap of day is calculated as per normal, BUT the difference in handicap is what determines the strokes.
Ie if I play OLD Bogey off 19 and I am off 10 then OB gets shots only on the 9 hardest holes on course.

Golf Australia also has published a match play index rating which clubs use for pennant.
this spreads the index evenly over the course, regardless of the difficulty of the holes.
in my match above with OB according to the index where giving 9 he would actually get a shot on the holes 2,4, 6 8 10 12 14 16 & 18).

If we started on the 10th, BG would give me a shot on all the odd numbered holes. Next, I have to get back out to 19 again.

In my area, courses are closed for pennant and matches are conducted with a shotgun start. Offering a different index based on whatever hole your match started (the 'proper' way of doing it) would confuse most players to no end, so they just use the stroke play index. It makes little difference anyway. In a recent match, my opponent allowed me 5 strokes. Three of those holes I won without the extra given stroke, one hole I lost despite being given a shot, but it did make a difference on one of the holes. Last week, all players had matching handicaps so no strokes were allowed.

Edited by OldBogey, 19 February 2020 - 10:15 AM.

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Posted 20 February 2020 - 06:24 AM

If we started on the 10th, BG would give me a shot on all the odd numbered holes. Next, I have to get back out to 19 again.

In my area, courses are closed for pennant and matches are conducted with a shotgun start. Offering a different index based on whatever hole your match started (the 'proper' way of doing it) would confuse most players to no end, so they just use the stroke play index. It makes little difference anyway. In a recent match, my opponent allowed me 5 strokes. Three of those holes I won without the extra given stroke, one hole I lost despite being given a shot, but it did make a difference on one of the holes. Last week, all players had matching handicaps so no strokes were allowed.

The match play index is calculated to give / recieve strokes on the hole played

so if we started on 5th hole the index would gives on 2nd hole we play ie 7th. 9th etc

so that is why it is good

In match play hole difficulty is not a factor  because your are playing against opponent not the course.

 

the problem with using stoke index is if getting only 1 stroke this might occur at on 18th hole after game end of game and therefore not be taken whereas the 1 stroke is always given on match play 8th hole played.

ie as above the stroke would be on our 8th hole which is in act 12th hole regardless of the difficulty of hole.

 

lots of times I have had to give a stroke on a par 3


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Posted 20 February 2020 - 06:42 AM

Sorry folks. I confused matters when referring to a Playing Handicap. This apparently is not the term used by GA but is Daily Handicap.

 

It appears to be a term and concept unique to GA as it is the figure calculated from ((GA Handicap x Slope Rating ÷ 113) + (Scratch Rating minus Par)) x 0.93. 

Scratch Rating is known elsewhere as Course Rating

 

Elsewhere the GA Handicap is known as the Handicap Index and the 0.93 appears in no other version of WHS. For individual strokeplay/stableford other versions have 95% as an Allowance

 

But I suspect this site it not really the place for discussing the whys and wherefores of non GA versions


Edited by AAA, 20 February 2020 - 06:43 AM.


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Posted 20 February 2020 - 07:28 PM

playing handicap is Daily Handicap/


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Posted 20 February 2020 - 07:33 PM

Sorry folks. I confused matters when referring to a Playing Handicap. This apparently is not the term used by GA but is Daily Handicap.
 
It appears to be a term and concept unique to GA as it is the figure calculated from ((GA Handicap x Slope Rating ÷ 113) + (Scratch Rating minus Par)) x 0.93. 
Scratch Rating is known elsewhere as Course Rating
 
Elsewhere the GA Handicap is known as the Handicap Index and the 0.93 appears in no other version of WHS. For individual strokeplay/stableford other versions have 95% as an Allowance
 
But I suspect this site it not really the place for discussing the whys and wherefores of non GA versions

Why not?

We have always known that GA like to lead with their ideas of innovation. Although well intentioned, sometimes they've seemed to be a bit hair brained.

The 7% or 0.93 was to take the edge off higher handicaps so A graders still had a chance of winning something.

To my way of thinking, making it 'best 5 of 20' without other fiddling, would have been more effective.

I gather from your comments that some other countries take 5% off, probably with a similar objective to GA.
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