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#1 AAA

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Posted 05 February 2020 - 08:44 AM

Has this started in Australia? If so, how is it going?



#2 OldBogey

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Posted 05 February 2020 - 10:48 AM

Yes, been going for a week.
Not much different to what we had before.

Two big differences:
1. Golf Australia thought calculated handicaps should be discounted by 7%. In order to keep that, they now knock 7% off the 'playing off' handicap for each course.
2. We now play against the ACR of the course instead of Par.
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Posted 05 February 2020 - 12:50 PM

AAA, plenty of running around in ever decreasing circles, some punters in tin foil hats in their basements waiting for the radiation to reduce.

 

For the rest of us...…..as OB suggest, no real change.


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Posted 09 February 2020 - 05:19 AM

Two big differences:
1. Golf Australia thought calculated handicaps should be discounted by 7%. In order to keep that, they now knock 7% off the 'playing off' handicap for each course.
2. We now play against the ACR of the course instead of Par.

Have I got this right?

 

Course Handicap = Hcp Index * (Slope/113)

and

Playing Handicap = (C Hcp - 7%)

 

In effect reintroducing the old 93%


Edited by AAA, 09 February 2020 - 05:20 AM.


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Posted 09 February 2020 - 05:53 PM

Have I got this right?
 
Course Handicap = Hcp Index * (Slope/113)
and
Playing Handicap = (C Hcp - 7%)
 
In effect reintroducing the old 93%


Yes, but there's another step before applying 0.93. That is: deduct par, add ACR, then apply 0.93 to the nett result.
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Posted 09 February 2020 - 06:02 PM

Yes, been going for a week.
Not much different to what we had before.

Two big differences:
1. Golf Australia thought calculated handicaps should be discounted by 7%. In order to keep that, they now knock 7% off the 'playing off' handicap for each course.
2. We now play against the ACR of the course instead of Par.

I'm not following your terminology here.  What is meant by calculated handicap, playing off handicap and ACR, please?



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Posted 09 February 2020 - 08:37 PM

Yes, but there's another step before applying 0.93. That is: deduct par, add ACR, then apply 0.93 to the nett result.

Do you mean:

 

Course Handicap = H Index * (slope) / 113) + (Course Rating - Par) 

Playing Handicap = Course Handicap * 93%



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Posted 09 February 2020 - 10:30 PM

Do you mean:

 

Course Handicap = H Index * (slope) / 113) + (Course Rating - Par) 

Playing Handicap = Course Handicap * 93%

 

Now that I understand!



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Posted 10 February 2020 - 04:14 PM

Do you mean:
 
Course Handicap = H Index * (slope) / 113) + (Course Rating - Par) 
Playing Handicap = Course Handicap * 93%

yes
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Posted 10 February 2020 - 04:24 PM

I'm not following your terminology here.  What is meant by calculated handicap, playing off handicap and ACR, please?


By 'calculated' I meant the GA index being the average of the best 8 (played to) in the last 20. Golf Australia used to take 7% off that and that was your starting figure before applying slope.

'Playing off' is the handicap you're allowed to play that particular course, after applying all the other adjustments to your index.

'ACR' is the Australian Course Rating, but you could just as easily read that as 'American Course Rating' as we use the same system.
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Posted 10 February 2020 - 04:39 PM

By 'calculated' I meant the GA index being the average of the best 8 (played to) in the last 20. Golf Australia used to take 7% off that and that was your starting figure before applying slope.

'Playing off' is the handicap you're allowed to play that particular course, after applying all the other adjustments to your index.

'ACR' is the Australian Course Rating, but you could just as easily read that as 'American Course Rating' as we use the same system.

 

Thanks for that.  Now that we have a worldwide system, we can more easily share understanding using WHS  terms such as 

 

Course Rating

Slope Rating

Handicap Index

Course Handicap 

Playing Handicap

 

No need to qualify these as  Australian, American  or Scottish or whatever as they mean the same in every country..  



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Posted 10 February 2020 - 06:20 PM

'ACR' is the Australian Course Rating, but you could just as easily read that as 'American Course Rating' as we use the same system.

The USGA Course Rating System in fact. Which is licensed to all the other national authorities. 



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 03:20 PM

Has this started in Australia? If so, how is it going?

 

High markers of 20 plus seem to be making a killing with 41 to 42 even 43 and 44 points plus now winning most stableford comps.

 

A graders who are play well and steady are having 34 to 36 points with odd 37 points.

 

I hope in 3 months it will settle down and even out the comps.


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Posted 17 February 2020 - 07:06 PM

Is there a big difference in course handicaps over the old handicap or was there a big change in handicap indices?



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 07:24 PM

Is there a big difference in course handicaps over the old handicap or was there a big change in handicap indices?


Neither. Essentially we have been using it for years. The recent difference has been the change in basing the handicapping on course rating in lieu of par. In my case, this has dropped my playing handicap at my usual course by two strokes.

Handicap index changed? Yes, because Golf Aust previously discounted the index by 7%. They didn't want to lose that, so they now take 7% off the playing cap as a final step before rounding. End result: much the same.
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