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#1 mugcanic

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Posted 02 January 2020 - 10:56 AM

Just had a read of the 5 things you need to know about the new WHS.

I might be missing something , but these "changes" don't look much different to what we already have.

Item (1) says fewer scores count towards your index...10 down to 8. We already use 8.

(2) says your index updates in your sleep....nothing new there.

 

Is Australia already into the new system?



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Posted 02 January 2020 - 06:39 PM

Just had a read of the 5 things you need to know about the new WHS.

I might be missing something , but these "changes" don't look much different to what we already have.

Item (1) says fewer scores count towards your index...10 down to 8. We already use 8.

(2) says your index updates in your sleep....nothing new there.

 

Is Australia already into the new system?

 

 a slight change

average of best 8 /20. BUT not multiplied by 0.93

 

when calculating daily handicap it will now be.

 

slope x Golf link index / 113 +  ( scratch rating - par) x 0.93

 

so  every ones GA should increase by dividing by 0.93.

 

example of how then new daily handicap.

 

if your GA is 18 and playing on a course slope 122 off white tees where ACR is 70 and Par is 72.

daily handicap will be

18 x 122 /113 = 19.4

+ (70 -72 )= 17.4 * 0.93.

daily will be 16

 

each tee colour will have its own slope rating and ACR.

so at own course you will have a different  daily handicap depending on which set of tees you play on that day.

 

This change will allow clubs to run multi tee competitions at same time.ie your mate might play off red some others off white and other players off the blue tees all in same field which is something that is done a lot in USA but not here as yet.

some clubs have already started conducting these comps.

 

these changes are to make 36 points actually playing to ones handicap.

 

the other change is if someone has more than 43 points they will loose an additional shot of GA.


Edited by Bogey Golfer, 02 January 2020 - 06:44 PM.

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Posted 02 January 2020 - 08:00 PM

Can't wait for the day when I get use my new 54 handicap playing from the up tees. Won't the other old geezers have something to howl about then! :lol:   


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Posted 02 January 2020 - 09:03 PM

Can't wait for the day when I get use my new 54 handicap playing from the up tees. Won't the other old geezers have something to howl about then! :lol:   

 

you only need to put in 3 cards with a score of 140.


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Posted 02 January 2020 - 09:58 PM

 a slight change

average of best 8 /20. BUT not multiplied by 0.93

 

when calculating daily handicap it will now be.

 

slope x Golf link index / 113 +  ( scratch rating - par) x 0.93

 

so  every ones GA should increase by dividing by 0.93.

 

example of how then new daily handicap.

 

if your GA is 18 and playing on a course slope 122 off white tees where ACR is 70 and Par is 72.

daily handicap will be

18 x 122 /113 = 19.4

+ (70 -72 )= 17.4 * 0.93.

daily will be 16

 

 

 

 

So the x 0.93 isn't used on the best 8 out of 20 cards but calculated individually every card ? ( same/same )

Can you please explain the figure 113 and how it occurs in the formula and why ? 

Maximum handicap is now 54 for both men and women, what a joke ?

Jon...



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Posted 03 January 2020 - 12:04 AM

So the x 0.93 isn't used on the best 8 out of 20 cards but calculated individually every card ? ( same/same )

Can you please explain the figure 113 and how it occurs in the formula and why ? 

Maximum handicap is now 54 for both men and women, what a joke ?

Jon...

 

the figure 113 is a factor and a constant used in the calculation, The USGA considers a slope rating at 113 to be a typical standard course. so in effect comparing each course against a "typical standard"

 

there are some courses around with a slope of 114.

 

it will be interesting to see how many players actually get a handicap of 54.

if it encourages players to take up game and learn why not.

lots of golfers playing in social clubs have 120  to 125 shots.


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Posted 03 January 2020 - 08:36 AM

I think it’s up to each club or association to choose if they will use the 54 as a max handicap. When it all boils down you still have have 36 points to play to your handicap. It will be interesting to see if any changes occur to the WHS during the year.



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Posted 03 January 2020 - 09:06 PM

you only need to put in 3 cards with a score of 140.

 

If I put in three cards of 140 for next three rounds it will do jot to my handicap - but would put quite a dent in my wallet.



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Posted 03 January 2020 - 09:09 PM

the figure 113 is a factor and a constant used in the calculation, The USGA considers a slope rating at 113 to be a typical standard course. so in effect comparing each course against a "typical standard"

 

there are some courses around with a slope of 114.

 

it will be interesting to see how many players actually get a handicap of 54.

if it encourages players to take up game and learn why not.

lots of golfers playing in social clubs have 120  to 125 shots.

 

It's slow enough playing behind four +markers at our Club shooting sub-par. 


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Posted 03 January 2020 - 09:48 PM

 

Maximum handicap is now 54 for both men and women, what a joke ?

Jon...

 

I have struggled with how many punters think that people playing off 54 is the end of times. They are already doing it but are anchored at 36. 


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Posted 03 January 2020 - 11:57 PM

I have struggled with how many punters think that people playing off 54 is the end of times. They are already doing it but are anchored at 36. 

Come the end of this month and the reality of the maximum 54 handicap will be here to stay. Clubs have the power to set caps to a max of whatever for comps and this will make sense once a month when playing for the stroke medal event. They can also use the double score per hole rule and then pickup.

Hopefully we can streamline the Yankie slope system over the next few years and once again be a leader of the handicapping system here and in control of our own unique area and game !

Jon...      



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Posted 04 January 2020 - 05:35 AM

I have struggled with how many punters think that people playing off 54 is the end of times. They are already doing it but are anchored at 36.


In stroke yes

But in Stableford a 36 should pick up after reaching triple, with 54 it's quad so that can be a lot of extra shots over 18

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Posted 04 January 2020 - 02:08 PM

In stroke yes

But in Stableford a 36 should pick up after reaching triple, with 54 it's quad so that can be a lot of extra shots over 18

yes but really none of existing members will go instantly to 54, as the 5 shots on anchor will stop that.

so only people who are going to be off 54 are new players to game.

Then they wont be on that number for long and their handicaps will reduce quickly.


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Posted 04 January 2020 - 04:51 PM

I doubt that if your current cap calculates at 54 but you have to play off 36 that you will be capped at 36 when the new system comes in

Hopefully someone on 54 will improve quickly

Won't matter to Brisbane Fairways anyway - we decided to maintain the current maximums for men's and women's competitions
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#15 PerryGroves

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Posted 05 January 2020 - 10:02 AM

I doubt that if your current cap calculates at 54 but you have to play off 36 that you will be capped at 36 when the new system comes in

Hopefully someone on 54 will improve quickly

Won't matter to Brisbane Fairways anyway - we decided to maintain the current maximums for men's and women's competitions

Weeti, we did the same and held the 36/45 for men/women.

 

I started playing when the max was 27, the world didn't end when it went to 36 and given the amount of punters at my club off high handicaps its allowed people to enjoy their golf longer. Slowest golf of the year at my club is when the pennant guys are here.

 

Not sure what happens when a punter off 42 at another club turns up at mine to play a visitor event, presume the system knocks them back to 36.


Edited by PerryGroves, 05 January 2020 - 10:25 AM.





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