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#16 333pg333

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 05:35 PM

Very interesting Zen. Thanks for making that video up. It's amazing how some precepts we take for granted my actually be 180o wrong. 

I wish I could complain of too much lag due to keeping right elbow tucked down for too long. I've always been a bit of a caster and therefore when I see the position of impact (last pic in post #1) I thought "Yay"...it looks like I'm ticking a lot of boxes. However it's not a real swing and obviously the face is wide open. Also, I've been kinda working towards coming up and almost backwards with left side which is what it looks like the cool kids are doing of late. Actually coming out of their shoes seems to be the norm. 

 

I'll take your vid imagery to me to the next driving range session and see what I can come up with. I'll be thinking of how to keep the left shoulder down for longer. 



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Posted 12 February 2019 - 05:57 PM

Hahaha..who is the idiot/s who made that animation? Pull up a video of Dustin Johnson, Cameron Champ and see if they are straightening their trail arm.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:36 PM

As an antidote to the misguided analysis by Zen, here is exhibit A. Note the action of the right elbow on the downswing. Also note the movement of the left shoulder.

 

 Don't think so champ,

Tiger matches the other tour players the left shoulder doesn't rise up until after P6, he aligns with the other tour players in 3D. Take note champ, Tiger's right Elbow behind the right hip too.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 06:39 PM

Agreed. Zen's little video is possibly the worst I have ever seen.

Who ever created it didn't bother to scrutinize the swings of the top level drivers on tour. My guess is the animation is to try and prove HK's theory of extensor action during the downswing. It has never worked and it never will because it internally rotates the trail shoulder prematurely. If this worked it would be seen on tour and by he who make cuts.
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:09 PM


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#21 BROWNMAN

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:44 PM

Yes, I've seen that one. Unfortunately there is no way to identify the player because I'd quite like to see a swing video. The digitized right forearm action just looks wrong. One of the key commonalities of good players is that when viewed from face on the trail elbow goes "below" the lead arm when lag is being generated.

 

The other thing is that the main point of the AMG video is that the amateur uses far too much bend in his right elbow at various points.

 

I'll stick with the video of Tiger noting how much time his trail elbow spends "below" his lead arm when lag is being generated.

"just looks wrong".....biggest test mate is ball direction and flight,looks can deceive though.FG..https://www.youtube....h?v=ZSy30hPFEVA


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:46 PM

"just looks wrong".....biggest test mate is ball direction and flight,looks can deceive though.FG..https://www.youtube....h?v=ZSy30hPFEVA


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#23 BROWNMAN

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:47 PM

its like my swing lol


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#24 333pg333

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:38 PM

Interestingly I think DJ has changed his swing of late. Would like to see some more recent slow-mos of it. 

 

I don't want to get involved or inflame some obvious disagreements on this forum so I'm not going to take any sides.

I think you all mean well and I'm going to leave it at that for the moment. 

The AMG (not Merc) guys seem to agree with Zen re the right arm extending. I don't know enough to contend.

I'm at the point where I need to try something to save myself from a vacation. 

 

Hip turn is also something I've been mucking around with. Going from resistance to just letting it go. 

I think I like somewhere inbetween. 

 


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:15 PM

Interestingly I think DJ has changed his swing of late. Would like to see some more recent slow-mos of it. 

 

I don't want to get involved or inflame some obvious disagreements on this forum so I'm not going to take any sides.

I think you all mean well and I'm going to leave it at that for the moment. 

The AMG (not Merc) guys seem to agree with Zen re the right arm extending. I don't know enough to contend.

I'm at the point where I need to try something to save myself from a vacation. 

 

Hip turn is also something I've been mucking around with. Going from resistance to just letting it go. 

I think I like somewhere inbetween. 

 

333.........just let it go...throw it out there....in simple terms,throw it out and the rest will follow,unless you start to hang on ,steer etc........i used to do that and like the feel,but,im a right side fella,its where im at now....never gunna be pro but hit a fair ball,and still enjoy the game.


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#26 Zenstb

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:16 PM

On the bigger question, here is a video of Dustin Johnson. Tell me whether his first action on the downswing is to straighten his right elbow as Zen would have us do or keep it bent and near his body to generate lag. The face on part is in the second half of the video.

https://youtu.be/pOtgNIYGPQU


It's ok Champ, humble pie is coming your way. Enjoy it.
What part don't you understand about "Beginning to straighten from the top"
Not straighten at the top of the downswing.
Tour players begin to straighten their right arm from the top.
They don't hold their right elbow angle down to P6.
We know what Dj does champ here is a taste test.

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#27 BROWNMAN

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:53 PM

I know the feeling :)

 

Check out the right elbow position at 0:43. Sorry if you are backing Zen on this one but he is talking cr*p.

Zenstb is more than able to take care of himself i would think FG,as for me,i think there are many different ways to get the job done,our body shapes defines a lot of our swings..imo..,i for one never try to swing like anybody anymore,i used to try to swing like greg,i think we all would know how that turned out lol,nah,these days very much a right sided flogger,but enjoy my game,cheers......the only other thing i might add if i may,perhaps you are both right in some way


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:56 PM

You went way beyond that "beginning to straighten".

Pick the elbow straightening out of this. Tell us he generates lag by straightening his right arm. Tell us that his right elbow does not go down to his side. In fact pick out any similarity to your comical little video or anything you've said previously.

The saddest thing of all is that you think you've got a winning argument :lol:

Saddest thing is you think he losing.
AMG and Zen are saying the same thing.
Give it a rest.
Zen is here to help people.
Zen provides insightful information and backups it.
Present 3D of Dustin Johson prove Zen wrong.
Put up or shut up.
Your character assassination is tiresome.
Acting like an immature child.
Grow up.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:04 PM

I like the Tiger slow motion. Can see how from front on the look is the right upper arm moving down and into the side.

But I can also see how his right arm is straightening from the top.

It's not like you can only have one or the other. Wnat the relative position of the right upper arm compared to the side of the body is has no bearing on the relative position of the upper right arm and right forearm.

The right forearm is definitely moving away from the right upper arm.

The right upper arm is definitely moving closer to the right side.

Simples!
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:12 PM

Can you quote that bit where he says it creates lag? I can't find it.

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