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Posted 31 December 2018 - 11:14 AM

Tinkered with my MP57's the other day Jon.

 

Same amount of tapes on that set, (4 per), just lengthened the clubs and regripped with the old man Lamkin Arthritics. ;)

How much length did you add Gaz ?

Should feel abit head heavier now and balanced better ?

Did you check, test and change the lie angles to match the new tinkerings ?

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Posted 05 January 2019 - 07:07 PM

How much length did you add Gaz ?

Should feel abit head heavier now and balanced better ?

Did you check, test and change the lie angles to match the new tinkerings ?

Jon...

 

Just added 1/2 inch to the MP57's, and yes, slightly better balanced now Jon to my way of thinking.

 

I do like something that feels a touch "head heavy", as I find it helps me to know where it is in the swing, and helps with the timing of the release.

 

A lot of the irons I try at work feel really light, (no doubt more evenly balanced and with lighter shafts as well), and I just don't like the feel of many of them. 

 

I checked the lie angles of the 57's post lengthening them, and they are fine atm.

 

All of my Mizuno sets are now at the same length (+1/2), and within a degree in terms of their lie angles, (32's are just a degree flatter than the others).

 

I don't find too much difference between them at the moment( as I'm swapping between them pretty frequently), just a bit in terms more of feel off the clubface from the various clubheads, and the 32's are a bit different due to being reg flex.

 

They're all fun to hit though, which is the main thing I reckon …  ;)


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 11:39 PM

Just added 1/2 inch to the MP57's, and yes, slightly better balanced now Jon to my way of thinking.

 

I do like something that feels a touch "head heavy", as I find it helps me to know where it is in the swing, and helps with the timing of the release.

 

A lot of the irons I try at work feel really light, (no doubt more evenly balanced and with lighter shafts as well), and I just don't like the feel of many of them. 

 

 

 

Unfortunately Gaz, most of the current modern iron heads are 5 to 8 grams lighter nowadays.

 

OEM have been taking weight out of the heads and delofting for several years. So a 5 iron head from the 80's and 90's is 254 grams and 27 to 30 degrees with 59 to 60 lie angle.

Now the average 5 iron head weighs between 247 and 250 grams, with anywhere from 23 to 26 of loft and 61 to 63 lie angle, quite upright.

 

That's a little clue for those golfers wondering why it's hard to get a 2, 3 and now even 4 irons in sets.

 

The real con is in the fitting gear that's used to help sell most modern irons and the specs that the OEM have on their websites. The quick-fit universal adaptors used on the irons, adds about 10 to 15 grams to the head end and balances the clubs to about the D2/3 area, sometimes more.

 

But when you get your shiney new clubs they don't even come close to the same specs that you have tried in the retail outlet or in the specialist fitting centres.

Currently a standard length 5 iron with the typical lighter sub 100 gram steel shaft will balance at about C7 to C9.

The typical american made 5 iron will be 38.5" ( 1/2" to 3/4" longer than the average ) at around D0 with 23 to 26 degree loft and 62 + in the lie angle and have an 85 to 100 gram active cheapy steel shaft. That's what the yanks think the average male golfer needs, go figure.

Hard to get a 5 iron demo anymore, most of the demo irons in fitting carts are a 7 iron, why because their specs are getting closer to the older 5 irons from pre 2000.

 

I get alot of customers with brand new gear ask the question about the lack of balance.

And when it's explained properly they always ask why the OEM and retailer can't at least get it right and or stick to the website standards ???

Jon...       


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 05:08 PM

Wow....after reading that I had to check I wasn't accidentally in the rules thread.....too much intellegence for my liking.
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Posted 06 January 2019 - 07:27 PM

Unfortunately Gaz, most of the current modern iron heads are 5 to 8 grams lighter nowadays.

 

OEM have been taking weight out of the heads and delofting for several years. So a 5 iron head from the 80's and 90's is 254 grams and 27 to 30 degrees with 59 to 60 lie angle.

Now the average 5 iron head weighs between 247 and 250 grams, with anywhere from 23 to 26 of loft and 61 to 63 lie angle, quite upright.

 

That's a little clue for those golfers wondering why it's hard to get a 2, 3 and now even 4 irons in sets.

 

The real con is in the fitting gear that's used to help sell most modern irons and the specs that the OEM have on their websites. The quick-fit universal adaptors used on the irons, adds about 10 to 15 grams to the head end and balances the clubs to about the D2/3 area, sometimes more.

 

But when you get your shiney new clubs they don't even come close to the same specs that you have tried in the retail outlet or in the specialist fitting centres.

Currently a standard length 5 iron with the typical lighter sub 100 gram steel shaft will balance at about C7 to C9.

The typical american made 5 iron will be 38.5" ( 1/2" to 3/4" longer than the average ) at around D0 with 23 to 26 degree loft and 62 + in the lie angle and have an 85 to 100 gram active cheapy steel shaft. That's what the yanks think the average male golfer needs, go figure.

Hard to get a 5 iron demo anymore, most of the demo irons in fitting carts are a 7 iron, why because their specs are getting closer to the older 5 irons from pre 2000.

 

I get alot of customers with brand new gear ask the question about the lack of balance.

And when it's explained properly they always ask why the OEM and retailer can't at least get it right and or stick to the website standards ???

Jon...       

Are there companies making heads specifically to cater for shorter clubs Jon? I think PING still have the weight port in their irons but I'm not aware that they do a fitting for the public by adjusting the weight of the head. I also find it interesting that Cameron Champ and Bubba both have shorter drivers, both are PING players and two of the longest hitters on tour. Tony Finau is also long and uses PING. I can't find anything saying how long his driver is but he uses an 85 gram shaft and I'm pretty sure Bubba uses an 80 gram shaft. I feel like 30 years ago all the equipment was biased towards the scratch marker and now everything is made for a little old lady. 



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Posted 06 January 2019 - 11:49 PM

Wow....after reading that I had to check I wasn't accidentally in the rules thread.....too much intellegence for my liking.

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Are there companies making heads specifically to cater for shorter clubs Jon? I think PING still have the weight port in their irons but I'm not aware that they do a fitting for the public by adjusting the weight of the head. I also find it interesting that Cameron Champ and Bubba both have shorter drivers, both are PING players and two of the longest hitters on tour. Tony Finau is also long and uses PING. I can't find anything saying how long his driver is but he uses an 85 gram shaft and I'm pretty sure Bubba uses an 80 gram shaft. I feel like 30 years ago all the equipment was biased towards the scratch marker and now everything is made for a little old lady. 

In short no, they all have their own weight frames to work with. Some of the more traditional OEM, like Mizuno have reasonably weighted heads but they are usually the smaller cb and blade styles only.

 

Ping now weight their heads but it's only to about D0 in a regular length iron which is 37.75" in 5 iron.

The lighter shafts under 100 grams will swingweight C8/9 and the heavier 120 + grams shafts go to D0/1. I've had to replace quite a few on Ping irons recently because they keep falling out.

 

Their drivers can be altered via the weight ports if they have them or with either tip weights or a hot melt injected into the heads. Same as the irons with regards to the weight of the shafts used, heavier will give a greater swingweight than lighter and remember, Ping drivers are 45.75" standard length.

 

Everything is getting lighter, longer and stronger, the traditional standards that have served the industry for a hundred years have been compromised and the yanks are heading golf in a very particular direction. It's all now about how far with little regards to how well or in fact any real skill level required, just a grip it and rip it mentality !  

Jon...


Edited by golfguy33, 06 January 2019 - 11:53 PM.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 08:54 AM

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I once thought about joining the tour de force but I had to much, intelligence ! 
 

In short no, they all have their own weight frames to work with. Some of the more traditional OEM, like Mizuno have reasonably weighted heads but they are usually the smaller cb and blade styles only.
 
Ping now weight their heads but it's only to about D0 in a regular length iron which is 37.75" in 5 iron.
The lighter shafts under 100 grams will swingweight C8/9 and the heavier 120 + grams shafts go to D0/1. I've had to replace quite a few on Ping irons recently because they keep falling out.
 
Their drivers can be altered via the weight ports if they have them or with either tip weights or a hot melt injected into the heads. Same as the irons with regards to the weight of the shafts used, heavier will give a greater swingweight than lighter and remember, Ping drivers are 45.75" standard length.
 
Everything is getting lighter, longer and stronger, the traditional standards that have served the industry for a hundred years have been compromised and the yanks are heading golf in a very particular direction. It's all now about how far with little regards to how well or in fact any real skill level required, just a grip it and rip it mentality !  
Jon...

Not sure I agree with the last paragraph. I have quite a collection of clubs dating back to the 1890's. My take on club design is head design through the eras has been influenced by the golf balls of the day. I also have some really old golf balls in my collection. Some are so small and light that a long hitter today would have great difficulty driving 150 yards into a strong head wind with the old drivers.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 09:13 AM

Golf grips should last eight years or so with regular maintenance. Body salts in the hands are the cause of grips getting hard and slippery. Soapy water removes grease and grime from grips but doesn't effect the body salts which impregnate the grip surface over time. The salts chemically react with rubber in the grip. According to my research, the salts can be removed by soaking the grips in a bucket of water with one cup of white vinegar and then juice of one lemon for 20 minutes or so. This neutralizes the salts before they react with the rubber. It is recommended the grips get this treatment after every second game or practice.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 10:36 AM

Hi Not sure I agree with the last paragraph. I have quite a collection of clubs dating back to the 1890's. My take on club design is head design through the eras has been influenced by the golf balls of the day. I also have some really old golf balls in my collection. Some are so small and light that a long hitter today would have great difficulty driving 150 yards into a strong head wind with the old drivers.

Hickory is lighter than steel.

 

Golf grips should last eight years or so with regular maintenance. Body salts in the hands are the cause of grips getting hard and slippery. Soapy water removes grease and grime from grips but doesn't effect the body salts which impregnate the grip surface over time. The salts chemically react with rubber in the grip. According to my research, the salts can be removed by soaking the grips in a bucket of water with one cup of white vinegar and then juice of one lemon for 20 minutes or so. This neutralizes the salts before they react with the rubber. It is recommended the grips get this treatment after every second game or practice.

I know that submerging your grips fully in a bucket of fluid would be the last thing to do in a cleaning process.

You could never get them totally dry internally and that will start a corrosion process and rusting of the inside of your shafts. Do that every two weeks and they'd be fingered in about one year, tops.

If you want to clean your grips with cold water, vinegar and lemon juice go for it. Just use a soft nylon brush and scrub away, then rinse off with cold water and towel dry. Not sure about the lemon juice because it's an acidic based liquid and will also react with the rubber ?

I use a citrus based cleaning fluid called DeSolve It to get the oils and gunk off and then rinse off with cold water and towel dry. 

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 11:38 AM

Hickory is lighter than steel.


I know that submerging your grips fully in a bucket of fluid would be the last thing to do in a cleaning process.
You could never get them totally dry internally and that will start a corrosion process and rusting of the inside of your shafts. Do that every two weeks and they'd be fingered in about one year, tops.
If you want to clean your grips with cold water, vinegar and lemon juice go for it. Just use a soft nylon brush and scrub away, then rinse off with cold water and towel dry. Not sure about the lemon juice because it's an acidic based liquid and will also react with the rubber ?
I use a citrus based cleaning fluid called DeSolve It to get the oils and gunk off and then rinse off with cold water and towel dry.
Jon...

I haven't had any issues and have been doing this for decades. I silicones the air hole in the bottom of the grip - before I inserted a tee in the grip but it was a hastle finding suitable tees. The solution is pretty diluted hense the 20 minutes emersion. The end result is a dry feel. If looking for a tacky feel, wash after with soapy water and rinse, dry with a micro cloth/towel. If the grips are hard and shiney beforehand, rub the shine off with the fine side of a rasp before soaking and cleaning.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 11:58 AM

Hickory is lighter than steel.


Jon...

There is a lot of air in a steel shaft, wooden shafts are pretty dense. I can't tell much difference in overall club weight between steel shafted clubs and wooden shafted. They have different flex and torque characteristics to each other. The hostel design for wooden shafts adds weight to the head which placed the COG on the clubface closer to the hostel.

Edited by Old Poppy, 08 January 2019 - 11:59 AM.


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Posted 08 January 2019 - 05:03 PM

It seems to be a lot of stuffing around to maybe get the grips to last a bit longer.

Simpler to just replace them when they get crappy.
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Posted 08 January 2019 - 05:13 PM

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 05:16 PM

The cuffs on his pants should last a while.

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Posted 08 January 2019 - 05:57 PM

Socks also.

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