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#16 trustyrusty

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 08:27 AM

Watching the golf on TV I don't think there is a SBST style - all pros have an arc. Big or small

 

Your body is stationery and swings around a pivot. The only way to get SBST , I think, would be to extend the arms as you swing to get the hands to stay in the same position ...no good...

 

Maybe we should say less of an arc more arc.. I seem to get a bigger arc.. but I guess it depends on bio dynamics... how you body is.... hand size, arm length, shoulder with etc...

 

My arc is consistent - I will give it that... :) 


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 11:14 AM

The easiest way to putt SBST I think …….. is to loosen your grip on your putter, and let your hands and arms basically feel dead ……. and then just rock the shoulders up and down to perform the shot.

 

 

I'm a little confused Gaz, are you saying to loosen his grip pressure in his hands or make the grip loose like you did when it was spinning around on your putter, before you added more tapes to stop the slippage ?

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 11:25 AM

Watching the golf on TV I don't think there is a SBST style - all pros have an arc. Big or small

 

Your body is stationery and swings around a pivot. The only way to get SBST , I think, would be to extend the arms as you swing to get the hands to stay in the same position ...no good...

 

Maybe we should say less of an arc more arc.. I seem to get a bigger arc.. but I guess it depends on bio dynamics... how you body is.... hand size, arm length, shoulder with etc...

 

My arc is consistent - I will give it that... :)

Question, does your putter sit flat and square on the ground in your normal, comfortable address position ?

If the toe sits up or down this could be an area worth looking at to get the lie and loft angles correct for your setup.

When the toe sits upright ( the most common problem ) or flat it then effects your alignment, then the arc is alot harder to control, during the backswing, impact and the follow thru.  

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 05:22 PM

Excellent advice. My one question is whether it is worth reviewing your ideal setup and mechanics and then fitting a putter which matches your ideal? Or do you buy a putter to fit what you are doing at the moment and then another one when you change your setup and mechanics? Or something else?

Well,duh! The option that lets you buy more putters of course, dude.
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Posted 12 August 2018 - 08:11 PM

Excellent advice. My one question is whether it is worth reviewing your ideal setup and mechanics and then fitting a putter which matches your ideal? Or do you buy a putter to fit what you are doing at the moment and then another one when you change your setup and mechanics? Or something else?

Always get the putter that fits you, or have it adjusted to your specs !

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 08:28 PM

Most putters can be adjusted by length, balance point, lie/loft and grip size, depending on their construction and the materials used.

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 06:29 AM

Set up especially lie and loft for a putter is important

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but strangely as it happens I played a different course this weekend and on the putting green there was a chalk line drawn to one of the holes that must have been done by someone training. I used it try and see where my stroke was going....

 

It is a good drill trying to keep the putter head on the line as long as you can until without forcing it, I could keep the putter head on the line quiet well and only right at the end did it come inside which I think is what it should do. My putter is T Bar shape with  a line so you can marry the two lines up. The hands felt a little different. Like the back of the hand stays square to the target - and if there was a laser pointing straight out.. it would stay on the line to the target as your hands turn down underneath. I probably naturally rotate hands open slightly.

 

This is a good drill to educate hands and you will probably have to do 1000 times to get it ingrained...

 

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Posted 13 August 2018 - 08:00 AM

I'm a little confused Gaz, are you saying to loosen his grip pressure in his hands or make the grip loose like you did when it was spinning around on your putter, before you added more tapes to stop the slippage ?

Jon... :)

Hi Jon,

 

With the putter I had the large grip on it, which had been on and off the putter a few times.

 

At the very bottom of the grip, I could feel a gap which had worked loose over time between the shaft and the grip itself. 

 

When I was putting with it, I could feel how loose it was under my trigger finger …….. so I put some more tape right at the bottom of the grip and re-glued it in order to stop that looseness.

 

In the end I just replaced the grip with a large Rife one, thickening the tape around the bottom hand of the grip to stop that from working loose. Now it just feels solid under the trigger finger again …….  :)


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Posted 15 August 2018 - 08:38 AM

I remember a drill using a belly putter where the putter is anchored (or without belly putter the butt end of the putter pointing at the belly button during the stroke - the behaviour of the putter there is a true stroke, as I understand it.  - that cannot be SBST ..impossible..


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Posted 15 August 2018 - 12:22 PM

I think when most talk about straight putting styles they actually mean a slight arc.
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Posted 16 August 2018 - 08:44 AM

Yes I think so, but I think it was Dave Pelz that has an apparatus that was SBST and if you wanted an arc, I think you raised it of the ground a touch - would be slight arc. I am not sure if he pushes that or sells it now but 0 degree movement I think is impossible or forced. There is an trainer call the Arc that is exactly that... I believe 12 degrees from top to bottom in change... I guess it depends on you...my arc is pronounced but getting better.... tend to rip it inside too much.


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Posted 16 August 2018 - 11:12 AM

https://www.pelzgolf...ids.aspx?aid=13

 

 

In this video, not the one I saw, if you lift up the one side furthest from you...you can get a slight arc..but this is definitely sbst...

 

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Edited by trustyrusty, 16 August 2018 - 11:14 AM.

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Posted 16 August 2018 - 10:21 PM

https://www.pelzgolf...ids.aspx?aid=13

 

 

In this video, not the one I saw, if you lift up the one side furthest from you...you can get a slight arc..but this is definitely sbst...

 

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Do you notice how the guys using the DP putting track all have the same clockwise opening move with the clubface to try and keep it moving straight thru to the target ? Right hand rotates and goes under the shaft to give it the correct SBST motion and to keep the putter face square at impact. This is a move that is grooved by alot of youngsters when they use a piece of timber as a rail to guide the toe of their putter and get that SBST feeling. It quite often creates a reverse arc because of the amount of constant pressure used and required to keep the toe of the putter in contact and moving along the rail !

You either have a reasonable SBST swing or you don't. Most players will pick the club up and away, outside the target line with their hands and then try to push the club face towards the hole. 

Jon... 


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