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#16 mugcanic

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 10:48 AM

The following day, July 16, the aircraft made two drops on the Sawtooth fire, and CAL FIRE personnel were reported to have said that "the two fire drops made a greater impact on containing the fire than the 12 helicopters drops for the past 10 days."[17]

 

Above is a cut and paste from an article in wikipedia about a DC-10 water bomber being used in the USA

 

 

Depending on the fill facilities they can be filled in 8 minutes

The take off weight is 40% less than when being used as a commercial airliner

The drop zone measures 90m x 1600m

1 drop = 12 drops from a grumman water bomber.

 

I believe this is the same as the one in NSW now and all we need is more of them.



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Posted 11 January 2016 - 12:56 PM

The drop zone measures 90m x 1600m

90 x 1600m = 144,000 m2

 

The DC10 holds 45,000 litres. Over 144,000m2 that would be 310ml (less than a drink can) per m2 of fire, hardly enough to make the fire blink.

 

I'm guessing that's not the area covered by the actual drop, which would be much smaller.

 

15-20 minutes flight time to Melbourne airport, 15-20 minutes reloading, 15-20 minutes flight time back to the fire, at the most optimistic 45-60 minutes between drops. A fire in extreme Black Saturday type conditions can travel 10+ kilometres in an hour.


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Posted 11 January 2016 - 03:00 PM

90 x 1600m = 144,000 m2

 

The DC10 holds 45,000 litres. Over 144,000m2 that would be 310ml (less than a drink can) per m2 of fire, hardly enough to make the fire blink.

 

I'm guessing that's not the area covered by the actual drop, which would be much smaller.

 

15-20 minutes flight time to Melbourne airport, 15-20 minutes reloading, 15-20 minutes flight time back to the fire, at the most optimistic 45-60 minutes between drops. A fire in extreme Black Saturday type conditions can travel 10+ kilometres in an hour.

 

 

Well done sherlock....you completely ignored the bit in my post about the impact of 2 drops from the DC-10 compared with 12 helicopter drops



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Posted 11 January 2016 - 03:59 PM

So, do we have estimates yet of the time it takes for a 747 to get ready on the tarmac .......... and if so, how long does it currently take the likes of Elvis to gargle and clear his throat?

 

If you're going to start throwing up figures, best get each and every relevant figure up on the whiteboard, to ensure a true and accurate apple v apple evaluation.

 

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 04:58 PM

I heard over the Christmas break on  the radio   that  Australia does have a plane  that is residing in Sydney that can handle big deployments

 

but the problem is  using it as Sydney is the only place it can refill from due  to infrastructure the plane needs 

 

 

for that plane  if it was to be deployed to the W.a Fires it would take 4 hours  to get there  dump its load  and another 4 hours back to Sydney

 

you would only get 1  plane a day

 

 

they said they are going to think about setting the infrastructure up in Melbourne but not this season

 

 

and the equipment that this plane needs is not easy relocated either 


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Posted 11 January 2016 - 06:09 PM

So where the bloody hell is it going to get filled? Is there a dam at either Melbourne airport? Sydney could probably dunk a pipe in the ocean but then they're closing a runway and to fill a 100,000 liter tank in 18 minutes idolise to 5000/minute. Do you have any idea the size of pump you'd need to do that? There's another $million then out one of those pumps at every airport in Australia just in case. Yep can see this idea taking off.

How about communities start being pro active and taking responsibility for their own property to ensure there isn't any trees close to their home, they have a proper action plan and the broader community do some back burning?

I'm sorry for the loss of life and property but blaming authorities because they haven't done enough is a joke and insulting to all those everyday people that put their lives at risk to put these fires out.
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Posted 11 January 2016 - 06:22 PM

So where the bloody hell is it going to get filled? Is there a dam at either Melbourne airport? Sydney could probably dunk a pipe in the ocean but then they're closing a runway and to fill a 100,000 liter tank in 18 minutes idolise to 5000/minute. Do you have any idea the size of pump you'd need to do that? There's another $million then out one of those pumps at every airport in Australia just in case. Yep can see this idea taking off.
How about communities start being pro active and taking responsibility for their own property to ensure there isn't any trees close to their home, they have a proper action plan and the broader community do some back burning?
I'm sorry for the loss of life and property but blaming authorities because they haven't done enough is a joke and insulting to all those everyday people that put their lives at risk to put these fires out.


The problem is that local councils won't let you cut down your own trees and the state government won't clear out the forest areas. Residents can clear their spoutings and clear up undergrowth, but you aren't allowed to burn it off until well after the fire season.
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Posted 11 January 2016 - 06:28 PM

Well then you need to change local governments. No problems up here.
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Posted 11 January 2016 - 07:23 PM

Too many farkin greenies who've probably never spent a night in the bush.
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Posted 09 November 2019 - 05:57 PM

Our thoughts go out to the hundreds of people who have lost their homes in the NSW and Qld bushfires, and the families of those who have died.

It's a pity we can't send our wet weather north for them.

Have to wonder if the greenies have any idea how much their past efforts have made these fires, and the resultant carbon pollution, worse.

Vic Labor gov't have announced they will end logging which will not only put hundreds out of work but also leave lots more fuel for inevitable future fires.
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Posted 11 November 2019 - 09:51 PM

Yeah those bloody greenies with their interest in stopping the world from climate catastrophe. They are the cause of all this.
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Posted 11 November 2019 - 10:02 PM

Vic Labor gov't have announced they will end logging which will not only put hundreds out of work but also leave lots more fuel for inevitable future fires.

Fake news ?

 

You need to listen to the whole news report before commenting on the Vic government and a loss of jobs.

All of the jobs that are made redundant will be recreated into similar areas by the current government !

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 06:13 AM

Job creation by increasing the public service

Also the Queensland way and why we have record and accelerating state debt

But you get what you vote for so we have no-one to blame but ourselves

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 02:15 PM

Fake news ?
 
You need to listen to the whole news report before commenting on the Vic government and a loss of jobs.
All of the jobs that are made redundant will be recreated into similar areas by the current government !
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Yeah, promised by a politician with no actual scheme to do that.
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Posted 12 November 2019 - 08:17 PM

Job creation by increasing the public service

Also the Queensland way and why we have record and accelerating state debt

But you get what you vote for so we have no-one to blame but ourselves


The job for job trade in this circumstance has nothing to do with the public service. OB only choose to quote half of the news report !
Victoria's current yearly budget is $80 billion so I'm not sure how that impacts our debt or infrastructure going forward and compared to Qld and other states.

 
 

Yeah, promised by a politician with no actual scheme to do that.


You are talking thru your hat, once again OB.
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