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#31 Stinkler

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 09:45 PM

Yeah the changing lofts is a weird one, but that is just a number, it's different to the big clubs. A 20* club, whether it's called a 2i or a 3i is hard to hit if it's a blade, it's not so much the lofts as the make up, ie hybrid or new fangled driver, or even those serious GI irons. I still see validity in many of the points he makes about true ball striking and the bang and gouge or whatever it's called. But it's hard not to sound bitter and twisted when making the point. If I go out without my driver, and a bag full of blades and then say to someone who beats me with Hybrids and GI irons with a Big Boy titanium beast that they didn't really win, it was the clubs, I'll sound bitter and twisted. We have HC's so we play against ourselves, we can use whatever we like and the HC adjusts for us, problem is in the pro world you play for money, they use what they can and that's it. The horse has bolted and that's just it. BH and Lag should just make their own torneys with the old gear (well as old as they see fit) and just get on with their lives and have fun playing golf. Tell me Lag doesn't sound somewhat bitter here

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:30 PM

stinkler I am not sure you understand it. Hughes never says you have to play the older equipment. he clearly states you will learn more about your swing and fine tuning it and keeping it at a better standard by practicing with the old equipment set up in the correct manner. He realizes the horse has bolted because the equipment has been allowed to run free far too much and he himself would not be able to use the old equipment in tournaments and keep up. See the Don Bradman message on his site. The Don used a stump or a stick to make practice harder to get his eye and his feel in and then when he used the real bat the game became much easier. Too many people think things can be given to them on a platter. You earn your way. the equipment may make you feel good for a few weeks but as he says it isn't designed to allow continual improvement. It's quick fix equipment designed around length and making mishits acceptable. So people blame their clubs and not their swing most of the time when their game goes sour again in a matter of weeks and go spend $500 on another club in the search. Make your practice harder so the game becomes easier when it really matters

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Posted 02 May 2011 - 10:46 PM

GN, fair enough, I do agree with all of that. I decided to change to blades (basically, 63's) for that exact reason. I want to know that if I make a good shot it's me, I also want to be punished for a crap one, I want to learn. I also leave the driver out, not only because it can cost me shots when wayward, but I'd rather hit more irons off the tee and then longer irons into the green. That feels like golf to me. Like I said he makes heaps of good points and I see the effect that he talks about in the fact that average HC's are still up there. People want quick fixes and that's not good, they wont do the hard work. Maybe I'll read it more carefully trying to be more impartial about the whinge factor.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 01:48 AM

The horse has bolted and that’s just it. BH and Lag should just make their own torneys with the old gear (well as old as they see fit) and just get on with their lives and have fun playing golf.
They do make their own torneys, they do get on with their lives and they do have fun playing golf. In fact it sounds like they enjoy golf a tonne more now that they've removed commercialism from the equation. And the horse hasn't bolted at all. We'll never see persimmon come back in, but a ball roll back is not out of this world (trial tournaments have already been played with reduced distance balls), nor are tighter driver restrictions. It's just an extremely hard thing to specify when you've got many factors involved, not the least of which being the manufacturers' attorneys on standby. Lag and BH are just another two voices amongst many, including (but defintely not limited to) Nicklaus, Norman, Watson, Shackleford, Huggan and a tonne of respected architects.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 02:10 AM

Having read the initial link I was of a particular view. Then I read some of the posts and got a tad confused. Soooo, I have now read the link 3 times and have decided for myself that Sir Hughes makes some very valid points when read in the context I now believe he has meant them. In saying that, GN has expressed some of those thoughts quite well also. I do not feel that Brad is saying that advancements in golf have been all bad, just that they are so frequent and do they really have a purpose other than making the manufacturers a **** load of money each time and giving us new toys that we believe we simply must have or our game will go to ****. In many ways I agree it has made golfers less adept at the game and if you read all number of threads on here, it is the shaft that makes the difference, not the 460cc bulk at the end of it. I think we are all probably guilty of buying clubs that are marketed at being the only way to assist us in supposedly making better scores, rather than improving what has been wrong with our game. I know I have.. With the amount of golf that I play (not much at all these days) I suppose I am not one that can really make a valid statement on what is and what is not good for the game. Some 30 yrs ago, I was playing off 12 with Persimmon woods and blades. I hope to be able to do that again in the future, but I believe a lot of it will be due to finding some of the old technique that I had and not just all technology.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 03:33 AM

Persimmon was running out, around the world, couldn`t have kept up with demand, Think they made a big mistake taking out the skill for a better player, not many guys could drive it a long way with small heads..Have seen a group of young trainee pros trying to hit persimmons, no chance with 3 wood off the deck.There was a young Korean guy who could get the wooden 3 off the grass, he had a very upright swing, like 1980`s players had.The other guys were amazed we played with them, after hitting them.Were Mizuno persimmons, and a Cleveland persimmon Driver.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 05:57 AM

Took me 5 minutes to scroll past Mrs Hughes…talk about batting above your average.

There’s many a slip ’tween a cup and a lip.

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

haha love your work, my thoughts exactly

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 04:59 PM

Persimmon was running out, around the world, couldn`t have kept up with demand, Think they made a big mistake taking out the skill for a better player, not many guys could drive it a long way with small heads..Have seen a group of young trainee pros trying to hit persimmons, no chance with 3 wood off the deck.There was a young Korean guy who could get the wooden 3 off the grass, he had a very upright swing, like 1980`s players had.The other guys were amazed we played with them, after hitting them.Were Mizuno persimmons, and a Cleveland persimmon Driver.

Qld, six in a row origin.

In Ben Hogan's autobiography, Dodson makes mention of Hogan's driver. quote "His persimmon-headed driver was 45 inches long with the stiffest custom flex available, its face turned slightly open at address, its oversized cord grips cranked slightly counterclockwise to promote the delayed release he favoured." He goes on to say that the present owner of one of Hogan's drivers takes great pleasure in allowing PGA tour players an opportunity to try and hook the ball with it. None had been able to at the time the book was published (2004).

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 06:07 PM

They will need the new equipment playing the US Open this year! 7500yard par 71.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 06:08 PM

Only a 523yard par 4 finishing hole!

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 06:17 PM

That would be yards surly, still that's 470 mtrs, a decent strike or 2 needed. I read through Brads site again, top to tail. I still get a bit bipolar views. He makes many good points and obviously can really strike a ball. Had a great life in golf and certainly knows his stuff. I think he talks like there is no great ball strikers on tour today, apart from some older guys. Guys like Ogilvy, Donald Westwood etc all have pretty bloody good iron games don't they? Anyhow, lots of good info and interesting reading. I'd be interested to actually read some of his instructional material too, the site is more full of him promoting his teaching without any insight into the actual basics of what it is he teaches. Sure he has loads of swing comparisons there, but I would be keen to see a video or book.

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Posted 03 May 2011 - 09:18 PM

Thats certainly long for hacks like us. For many of the pro's I am not sure it is that long relative to what we have to play. That is 6858m long. My home track is just over 6000m. So roughly an extra 15% in length give or take. These guys hit it at least 1 club and many more like 2 or 3 clubs longer than me. Its the rough and speed of greens on top that really hurt with these types of course.

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 12:23 AM

i wonder if brad knows that there are people out here in the real world who don't have 40 hours a week to practise with blades some people can only get out once a week for 9 holes and having some game improvement irons helps them get back to the clubhouse with a degree of sanity and dignity left never ceases to amaze me how many sets of old blades i see at garage sales and the like that look like they've never been used. without a bit of forgiveness, the once a week golfers would quit, as thousands have over the years, being that it's simply "too hard" remember "enjoyment" should be a major part of golf, not everyone has ambitions of ever being anything more than a social golfer so every little bit helps one of the reasons all this "helpful" stuff came in was to encourage more people to play the game, pro's may be another story, but they are outnumbered a million to one by social hacks

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 12:30 AM

i wonder if brad knows that there are people out here in the real world who don’t have 40 hours a week to practise with blades

some people can only get out once a week for 9 holes and having some game improvement irons helps them get back to the clubhouse with a degree of sanity and dignity left

never ceases to amaze me how many sets of old blades i see at garage sales and the like that look like they’ve never been used. without a bit of forgiveness, the once a week golfers would quit, as thousands have over the years, being that it’s simply “too hard”

remember “enjoyment” should be a major part of golf, not everyone has ambitions of ever being anything more than a social golfer so every little bit helps

one of the reasons all this “helpful” stuff came in was to encourage more people to play the game, pro’s may be another story, but they are outnumbered a million to one by social hacks

very wise words..

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 02:31 AM

Ingy, you make a very good point indeed. Whilst it doesn't negate the truths in some of BH's rave, it does go a long way to pointing out that the game is just fun for some, simply a way to spend time with some mates and get away from lifes other ****. Why not make it easier for them to enjoy? Makes sense. That's why I think that their (as in BH and Lag) intensity of "must be done this way" falls over. It makes sense for someone as obsessed as me to consider, but not many very casual golfers. Many will not even touch a stick between games, so the idea of practice with blades is just ridiculous to them. I must say though for the serious obsessed golfer he makes a lot of sense. Would still like to know what his 'teaching principles' are and what sort of drills he uses to build a swing.




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