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#151 Talart

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 10:52 AM

A bloke called IDAHOAUSSIE onthe wrx site spent a fair bit fair bit of time writing the following explanation on US club golf. Totally different to what we play as club members. Or would class as an acceptable competitive environment. 

"G'day Talart.  Aussie in exile here, as you might tell from the handle.

I'll relay my personal experience, and hope some others might chime in as well.

Over here, I see two different types of things going.  You have the private clubs, of which I have no experience, and you have the examples where the courses are run as completely separate concerns to any golf "clubs".  In fact, in my neck of the woods the "clubs" tend to refer to themselves as "associations".  The courses might be privately owned and operated or they might be owned and operated by city councils or other sorts of local governments, but the idea is the same.  The financial barrier to joining a club is lower, because you're not paying for your annual green fees - that's separate, and typically much higher than would be the equivalent back home.

The Mens' Association to which I belong has tournaments maybe once a month, maybe every other month, depending on the time of year.  It's rare that they will open them up to visitors and almost no mixed fourballs (the women have their own completely separate Association and ne'er the twain shall meet) other than the odd promotion that the course (not the Association) might put on.  I really don't see anything equivalent to Club Pennants over here, other than what various Associations might arrange between themselves and very much as a one-off

Another difference is that membership of a Men's Association will include membership of the state governing body but not the USGA, which operates almost as a completely separate organisation.  There is nothing comparable to the district associations back home (e.g, Brisbane Water GA, Newcastle GA etc.) to which clubs belong and which run and co-ordinate regular inter-club events such as the Pennants.  Handicaps are administered at the state level, although they will be recognised interstate - if you move to a new state, however, your handicap doesn't move with you (from what my neighbour told me), so you in effect have to start over.  The State body will run a number of tournaments throughout the year as well, more than I ever remember seeing the NSWGA run in the day.

Handicaps are administered differently over here as well.  Back home it's only club comp rounds that count, but because there's so many of them (and I seem to remember the club where I had membership and played infrequently had Tuesday and Thursday stablefords, the Friday morning chook run as well as the Saturday mixed/ members four balls and the Sunday individuals) that's not a major problem - over here, pretty much every round you play can count towards your handicap because there are so few club comps.  Every course will have a GHIN terminal where you can punch on your score for the day while you're unwinding, or you can do it on the Internet (web site or phone app) when you get home.

Another difference is at the junior level.  Over here, you will see inter-school matches on a weekly basis once you get to high school (think year 9 or 10 and above) which is basically the same as junior pennants.  You will also have zonal, state and regional tournaments for the better kids.  Associations themselves tend not to cater for the juniors, although some courses might run something (but typically not competitive) for them, as the schools seem to have that piece of the market to themselves.

As I say, that's my experience, others might chime in and offer something different."


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Posted 10 July 2014 - 03:34 PM

"Handicaps are administered differently over here as well.  Back home it's only club comp rounds that count, but because there's so many of them (and I seem to remember the club where I had membership and played infrequently had Tuesday and Thursday stablefords, the Friday morning chook run as well as the Saturday mixed/ members four balls and the Sunday individuals) that's not a major problem - over here, pretty much every round you play can count towards your handicap because there are so few club comps.  Every course will have a GHIN terminal where you can punch on your score for the day while you're unwinding, or you can do it on the Internet (web site or phone app) when you get home."

Exactly, but my experience at a club level ($250k+to join and $20k+ annual subs) have summer comps and social rounds count off any tees. My friend and member would give us and himelf anything up to 10' putts if it meant he got stableford score. I hit off the reds and he bought me back to whites and then blues with him. Hishcap was 16 but wkuld have been much higher here!
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Posted 11 July 2014 - 08:45 AM

Description from the Dan Plan "Dan (The Dan Plan) is on a coming episode of Insight On SBS ONE Tuesdays 8:30pm Repeated Wednesday 1:00pm SBS ONE
The Dan Plan. Is a project in transformation. An experiment in potential and possibilities. Through 10,000 hours of “deliberate practice,” Dan, who currently has minimal golf experience, plans on becoming a professional golfer. But the plan isn’t really about golf: through this process, Dan hopes to prove to himself and others that it’s never too late to start a new pursuit in life." 
 
Dan has a 3 handicap after 4900 hours. This has bemused me. It was his lack of competition play that was the sticking point. Now having the differences explained between US and Oz club golfing I have a better understanding of why Dan plays so little competition golf and why he has to enter tournaments to get "game experience".  In his latest blog post on his Oz trip Dan has said he was as unaware of how our golf handicapping and club play operates. Aboutthe only thing that is standard internationally in golf is The R and A Rules.
 
I still remain a fan enjoying his experience and approach. Near the half way mark and obviously a decent ball striking ability has been developed. With another 5000 hours to go it will be interesting to see how Dan approaches the 'competition' experience that is vital to being a professional playing for pay.  

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:35 PM

Sounds like he's having fun.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 07:29 AM

He is up on GC this week may cat h up with him for some interviews etc.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 09:14 AM

He is up on GC this week may cat h up with him for some interviews etc.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:11 AM

Looks like Dan is enjoying the experience of being out of his home ground golfing routine. Soaking up the Australian golf environment is a good thing. Comparing it to his usual golfing can only supply more depth to his playing knowledge. 


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Posted 16 July 2014 - 10:45 AM

Noooooooo...Cats are Farked

 

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 06:55 PM

"Handicaps are administered differently over here as well.  Back home it's only club comp rounds that count, but because there's so many of them (and I seem to remember the club where I had membership and played infrequently had Tuesday and Thursday stablefords, the Friday morning chook run as well as the Saturday mixed/ members four balls and the Sunday individuals) that's not a major problem - over here, pretty much every round you play can count towards your handicap because there are so few club comps.  Every course will have a GHIN terminal where you can punch on your score for the day while you're unwinding, or you can do it on the Internet (web site or phone app) when you get home."
Exactly, but my experience at a club level ($250k+to join and $20k+ annual subs) have summer comps and social rounds count off any tees. My friend and member would give us and himelf anything up to 10' putts if it meant he got stableford score. I hit off the reds and he bought me back to whites and then blues with him. Hishcap was 16 but wkuld have been much higher here!


You pay $250000 to join a golf club? Did I read that right? What course is it?

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 08:43 AM

When I was in the US I played at a club that has higher joining fee and it barely makes it into Top 100 in US rankings. 

 

You pay $250000 to join a golf club? Did I read that right? What course is it?



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 11:55 AM

How in the hell do you pay that?? Seriously? Do you have too put up your house as collateral or something?


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:36 PM

Let me clarify... I was a guest of a member ... who gave me the breakdown of joining costs! :)

 

Thing is with a population of 300 million people... there are a lot more people (number wise) who are in a very high income bracket and for them that's loose change. Just like there are 100 owners of $700k 458 Ferraris here in Australia there are several thousand owners in USA. 

 

 

How in the hell do you pay that?? Seriously? Do you have too put up your house as collateral or something?


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 12:42 PM

Agreed and yes the population density in the different tiers of income in comparison to each other is ten fold for example 

 

BUT

250k for a golf joining fee is just over the top IMO, and if it is the norm for 30% - 50% of clubs over there they wonder why it is declining in participation... 

 

But another discussion for another thread for another time!!! Sorry guys!


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Posted 17 July 2014 - 04:05 PM

Where did the 30-50% come from?

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:41 AM

Hmm thought I deleted that part because i didn't have facts to back it up as I wrote it then got distracted by work.

Apologies it was a guess and was supposed to be removed!


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