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#1 St_Andrews

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 12:07 AM

Which are your Top3 favourite 'short' P4's ? and why ? For mine they are the most interesting holes on a course.

For the purpose of this thread - I will define 'short' as anything sub 330-340m barrier.



#2 Moe

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 12:46 AM

In Australia

10 RMW
2 St. Andrew's Beach Gunnamatta
4 Woodlands

these are my favourites, I'm sure barnbougle has some good ones as does Kingdton heath.



#3 rifleman

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 09:25 AM

1/ 4th Woodlands
2/ 17th Commonwealth
3/ 13th National



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Posted 21 May 2006 - 08:18 PM

4th Woodlands
13th Portsea
3rd RM West

These 3 holes have me standing on the tee with at least 3 different options every time I play them, which is the strength of the great short par 4's IMO.



#5 St_Andrews

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 08:22 PM

My Top3 are

3 Kingston Heath
2 SAB (Gunnamatta)
3 Royal Adelaide

I also mulled over the likes of 12 & 4 at Barnbougle Dunes + 10 at the Lakes + 14 at NSW

Moe

Do you take iron off the tee at 10 RMW or driver ?



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Posted 21 May 2006 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE: St. Andrews @ May 21 2006, 10:22 AM


Do you take iron off the tee at 10 RMW or driver ?

If he's a good player his decision will be dictated by the conditions of the day wink.gif



#7 St_Andrews

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Posted 21 May 2006 - 08:30 PM

QUOTE: Boonie @ May 21 2006, 10:18 AM


4th Woodlands
13th Portsea
3rd RM West

These 3 holes have me standing on the tee with at least 3 different options every time I play them, which is the strength of the great short par 4's IMO.

The "different options" aspect is why I love the short P4 as well Boonie as it can lead to a multitude of scores esp: a shorter P4 like the 13th at Portsea (around 250m from memory?). I'd love to sit there and see how many people take driver and walk off with less than Par - I'd bet that more times than not they would struggle to make Par at that.



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Posted 21 May 2006 - 08:32 PM

10 at RMW is a brilliant and stunning looking hole, but I never hit driver there in a round that I care about the result of. Every time I play it to the top of the hill and a pitch in. Of course it doesn't help that my natural shot shape is a fade wink.gif

I prefer others over 10 RMW because for me they offer a wider range of options and get the grey matter working harder.



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Posted 21 May 2006 - 10:34 PM

I nearly went for 3 RMW but I've always played the hole poorly no matter which option I've taken from the tee, so I find it hard to rate!

10 RMW I will take driver usually if I'm playing any semblence of my best golf as I usually hit a pretty high draw so it sets up well for me. Of the few times I've taken iron from that tee I've ended up shanking it into the scrub anyway, if I played 3 & 10 on a weekly basis as a member I suspect I'd proabbly likethe 3rd more, as it is a bit more enticing to hit driver for most, though isn't really driveable for most.



#10 St_Andrews

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Posted 22 May 2006 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE: Moe @ May 21 2006, 12:34 PM


10 RMW I will take driver usually if I'm playing any semblence of my best golf as I usually hit a pretty high draw so it sets up well for me. Of the few times I've taken iron from that tee I've ended up shanking it into the scrub anyway, if I played 3 & 10 on a weekly basis as a member I suspect I'd proabbly likethe 3rd more, as it is a bit more enticing to hit driver for most, though isn't really driveable for most.

Moe

The reason I asked about your strategies on 10 RMW is because my normal shot is a draw but I have never considered hitting driver there. It's probably because I'm more of a conservative golfer smile.gif but whilst I like the hole I prefer many others because I'm so tempted to hit driver into them.

I will be interested to hear what other people's strategies are for the hole and other short P4's



#11 Alphonse

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Posted 25 May 2006 - 05:15 AM

As great openers and super short fours

1 Sorrento
1 Royal Melbourne East
1 Ranfurlie



#12 St_Andrews

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Posted 28 May 2006 - 05:33 AM

QUOTE: Alphonse @ May 24 2006, 07:15 PM


As great openers and super short fours

1 Sorrento
1 Royal Melbourne East
1 Ranfurlie

Alphonse

For mine probably Ranfurlie is the pick of that bunch.

Whilst on the topic of short P4's as opening holes - I enjoy those on offer at...

in NSW
New South Wales
Royal Sydney
The Lakes
Pacific Dunes
Murray Downs

in VIC
Victoria
The National (Moonah)
Moonah Links (Open)
Commonwealth
Horsham

I can't think of many good one's in QLD ?
probably The Grand

in WA ?
probably Lake Karrinyup

SA ? TAS ? ACT ?



#13 John J Jones

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Posted 28 May 2006 - 07:15 AM

St Andrews,

OK, I've got to ask. What short par 4 are you talking about at Moonah Links Open? The shortest par 4 is the first and that's 340m...

JJ



#14 St_Andrews

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Posted 28 May 2006 - 07:37 AM

QUOTE: John J Jones @ May 27 2006, 09:15 PM


St Andrews,

OK, I've got to ask. What short par 4 are you talking about at Moonah Links Open? The shortest par 4 is the first and that's 340m...

JJ

JJ

I was refering to 'short' opening holes in my last post and Moonah Links Open IMO is a decent short first hole

St A's



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Posted 28 May 2006 - 07:58 AM

Best short par 4's:
Woodlands-2 and 3
Commonwealth-17
Victoria-15
Yarra Yarra-3 and 10
Huntingdale-2 and 13
Sorrento-1 and 4
Flinders-4 (coffin hole)
Portsea-2, 11 and 13






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