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#31 Moe

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 08:12 AM

i've been told as much by friends with a better pallet than mine Tithers, as I had orginally intended to open the 94.

there are a few others in storage or in the wine fridge that arel also a chance though.



#32 MatthewM

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 10:04 AM

Tithers, do you feel Bin 28 has always been a Bordertown cookie or that the winemaking techniques have changed lately? One of my best wine memories is of a dinner where we had a vertical of a few Bin 28s, some >20yo. They stood up remarkably well. Very very good wines in the 80s. Remarkably consistent within vintages considering the volume too. I've always thought of them as very good value, and would also have a look at Barossa Shiraz before such wines from Coonawarra.

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 03:30 PM

QUOTE: MatthewM @ Feb 27 2006, 12:04 AM


Tithers, do you feel Bin 28 has always been a Bordertown cookie or that the winemaking techniques have changed lately? One of my best wine memories is of a dinner where we had a vertical of a few Bin 28s, some >20yo. They stood up remarkably well. Very very good wines in the 80s. Remarkably consistent within vintages considering the volume too. I've always thought of them as very good value, and would also have a look at Barossa Shiraz before such wines from Coonawarra.

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I like Barossa Shiraz too Matty, but Penfolds don't seem to make any of those for less than $135 a pop.

Kalimna in name, not in origin nowadays. Unlike golf courses, not an awful lot has to change over time for a wine to go from being excellent quality/value to being a lesser light or has been.

These Bin wines used to come from the great vast holdings controlled by Penfolds in Clare, Barossa, McLaren Vale, Coonawarra, Eden Valley and the like. Now, a pair of mid 90s planted vines at Bordertown and Robe (all machine pruned and harvested, and grown to the standards of a lot of $12-15 wines) make up a suprisingly large portion of the blends. Due to the back label musing over regions instead of front label designation, they are mentioned in ingenuine order, with Bordertown's percentages being understated and Robe often not at all. Much of the great holdings from the better regions have since been lost as growers for the top Penfolds wines have kept more of their own stuff as Penfolds wants the gear for fewer dollars per tonne. Thus, we used to get great fruit where the best went into Grange and fruit almost as good went into humble bin wines (and some still does). But a lot of this 60yo hand picked $3,000 per tonne stuff is now replaced by sub $1,000 per tonne commercial stuff and then sent to the lab, err sorry winery for "enhancement".

This next point is going to sound awful, but it is actually a part of these wines' reliability over time. The bin wines are made to formula, not out of the vineyard. For example with Kalimna Bin 28, it must have certain flavour profiles regardless of vintage. The more the fruit veers from these profiles, the more is tweaked in the winery. For example, sweetened oak essence is used, a liquid added to the wine to take the place of oak treatment. And it is acid adjusted to the sh!thouse to make it "bigger". Sure, the wine tastes normal and will be a fair drink down the track, but to a good wine judge it sticks out like a canine's testicular matter. The 1995 was the last of the really good 28s. No fastidiously compiled cellar of note has a more recent bottle of that wine in it.

Bin 138 (formerly just "Old Vine") is the modern guise of a great former wine called Bin 2 Shiraz Mataro. Whilst not made to the same standards as its ancestor (some great 70s years of Grange are almost overshadowed by the Bin 2 of the same year), it is very well constructed. Not packing the punch of the other bin wines, it grows a little more elegantly and food friendly over time, and is very good value for a GSM style for under $20.

Bin 128 has always been Coonawarra sourced, and remains so 'til now. The cooler origins of this wine and the fact that it is still single regional (read: no young vine cheap fruit) have kept it the most honest of all of them. This is the one and only Bin wine that from beginnig to end over an hour's drinking, will evolve and awaken significantly in the glass. Really good white pepper and licoriced blackberry. So many $30+ Coonawarra Shiraz wines fail to do this. Try a $35 Katnook against a $20 Bin 128. The 128 will kill it. 128's appeal often sags against the other Bin wines because it is dryer and more savoury than the sweet bombs (Matty, you've fallen for the fountain in the lake beside the 18th green). But with a couple more years in bottle, it is a gem.

Bin 407 was great from 1990-1994, then went Brian Wilson on us and was an overpriced un-Cabernet-like unbalanced stranger. 2002 and now the new 2003 are back to its best. Not coincidentally, the Bordertown and Robe regions produce fine Cabernet. Try the new 2003 for really good varietal cassis and charry mocha and cedar. Great complexity and it doesn't try and be an even bigger wine just for the sake of it.

Bin 389 is the ultimate in great marketing. When people rate 389, they rate it against it's past. They forget to rate it against other $40 wines, a bracket in which it can never stand up. Imagine if Flinders Golf Club had raised their green fees over time to $60, and people just kept coming because quite rightly, the experience was just as good as they'd always had. Nothing wrong with that. But they are not noticing that it is now more expensive to play than Portsea, and still blindly carry on. 389 was $14.99 when the '92 vintage was current, and I picked up my 93s and 94s without using insider sources for well under $20. To pay $30 for a wine that hasn't improved from that, let alone $38-40 astounds me. Good stuff, and will age, but I can name a minimum of 100 wines for under $40 as superior alternatives.


Summary:

Buy a few 128s and 407s to keep for five more years, and maybe a couple of 128s for now. That is your Penfolds fill for the year.



#34 judgesmails

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Posted 27 February 2006 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE: scorpiochick @ Feb 25 2006, 04:38 PM


I hear Judge may have fallen prey to this bargain...

Judge? What's the verdict or are you still unconscious after drinking the 16 bottles?

I, along with my Daughter, was lucky enough to be given a guided tour around the Berwick Dan Murphy's by Tithers himself, who loaded my trolley full of quality Reds at bargain prices, at one stage even sprinting off into the isles to secure a Shiraz (just in case someone decided to buy the 300 remaining bottles) I was also given a bargain basement guide to cellaring wines and then escorted to my car and helped to unload said bottles into the Rodeo...Service is everything these days (those Bums at Mega Trim could learn a thing or two from Tithers!)
The Hanging Rock is a delightful drop, a strong blackcurrant overtone with a slight mint and Chocolate infusion that sits well with any meal or just as a good 'quaffing' wine. The one thing is

doesn't

go well with is...

Tired men who fall asleep with a half full glass in their hand and wake up an hour or so later with Red Wine instead of single Mums down their pants.

Ahhhh Preen, the great unstainer!



#35 ttitheridge

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Posted 01 March 2006 - 06:01 PM

Saw Boags Draught is $31.85 at a few places around town this week.

A far superior beer to all the CUB entry level examples and New, and yet at the moment cheaper than almost all of them.



#36 ttitheridge

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Posted 02 March 2006 - 07:41 AM

Penfolds Bin 128 and Bin 28 $17.90 tomorrow ($16.90 by the mixed dozen). Load up.

Bitburger back down to $10.90 a six pack.

Zema Coonawarra Cabernet and Shiraz $19.90 each from tomorrow. They are normally $25-28 per bottle.

Anyone like a dessert wine? A really good Riverina Estate Ballingal Botrytis Semillon is going for about half price ($9.99) from tomorrow. Every bit as good as Miranda or De Bortoli Noble One.



#37 ttitheridge

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 07:42 AM

Ok, here we go. Specky take note.

An anonymous company with a name starting with "Yal" and ending in "umba" have given us a one-off cleanskin deal as part of a broader deal they are trying to cut. The gear arrived yesterday.

As a result, we have two rippers that are full quality declassified premium wines among those a bit slow to sell at their full whack at the moment. A 2005 Eden Valley Riesling (Pewsey Vale?), and a 2003 Coonawarra Cabernet Sauvignon (Menzies?).

Both are $6.99. The Cab sells for $25 plus with a label on it.

One off arrival. Grab it as quickly as you can, because in stores such as the one I'm in at the moment, staff have bought up to a third of the stock already for themselves.



#38 kelp

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 08:15 AM

QUOTE: ttitheridge @ Mar 3 2006, 08:42 PM


Ok, here we go. Specky take note.

An anonymous company with a name starting with "Yal" and ending in "umba" have given us a one-off cleanskin deal as part of a broader deal they are trying to cut. The gear arrived yesterday.

As a result, we have two rippers that are full quality declassified premium wines among those a bit slow to sell at their full whack at the moment. A 2005 Eden Valley Riesling (Pewsey Vale?), and a 2003 Coonawarra Cabernet Sauvignon (Menzies?).

Both are $6.99. The Cab sells for $25 plus with a label on it.

One off arrival. Grab it as quickly as you can, because in stores such as the one I'm in at the moment, staff have bought up to a third of the stock already for themselves.

Has any of this good gear get up as far as Queensland Ttith, to be precise , did any get as far north to make it to the new Noosaville store ???.
Thanks mate.



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Posted 04 March 2006 - 04:10 PM

QUOTE: kelp @ Mar 3 2006, 10:15 PM


Has any of this good gear get up as far as Queensland Ttith, to be precise , did any get as far north to make it to the new Noosaville store ???.
Thanks mate.

Pretty sure it was a nationwide rollout.



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Posted 05 March 2006 - 11:10 PM

No such luck Ttith , went down this morning and they tried to flog me some cleanskin Clare Riesling but no Pewsey Vale or the red. Please tell the head honchos down there that us Queenslanders have graduated past drinking Passion Pop ans Asti Spumanti and would like to participate with the rest of the Dan Murphy group.
Thanks mate.



#41 Jed

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 11:00 PM

Thanks for this service Tithers. I live right near the Richmond Dan Murphy's and after reading this thread yesterday morning went straight out the back gate and within 10 mins I was back home having loaded up on all these bargains.

I'm guessing I got all the right stuff. I just went to the cleanskin aisle and found 2001 McLarenvale Cabernets and 2003 Coonawarra Cab Sauv. I'm assuming these are the ones you have recommended and they would not just be old stock from a previous winemaker from the same geographical location? Ie Dan's don't ever carry two different cleanskin 2001 McLarenvale Cabernets for instance?



#42 AndyA

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 11:02 PM

Jed, if there was a mistake to be made, Murphy's Law dictates that you made it, especially if you had more than one set of contact lenses on!



#43 ttitheridge

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Posted 07 March 2006 - 02:49 AM

QUOTE: Jed @ Mar 6 2006, 01:00 PM


Thanks for this service Tithers. I live right near the Richmond Dan Murphy's and after reading this thread yesterday morning went straight out the back gate and within 10 mins I was back home having loaded up on all these bargains.

I'm guessing I got all the right stuff. I just went to the cleanskin aisle and found 2001 McLarenvale Cabernets and 2003 Coonawarra Cab Sauv. I'm assuming these are the ones you have recommended and they would not just be old stock from a previous winemaker from the same geographical location? Ie Dan's don't ever carry two different cleanskin 2001 McLarenvale Cabernets for instance?

Nah, correct ones.

If you ever bump into the fine wine manager there (Serena), just tell her I've sent you and she'll look after any list for you that you bring in.


And apologies for going higher priced, but there is a quite ridiculous little deal done which will involve us selling a perfectly good (and reputable) $55 wine for $24.99. I'm trying control samples alongside samples from the arrival load of it in the morning, so I'll report back on just how underpriced it is. If it is on par with its progress late last year, it certainly makes redundant most other $20-60 per bottle purchases for the time being.



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Posted 07 March 2006 - 06:52 AM

Lizzie reported in this afternoon that all these wines are now sold out at the Richmond store so I'm bringing in the Geelong connections to raid the Pakington St store for any remaining dregs in the morning.

Jack probably bought all the remaining stock today after cleaning up on his Tiger bet (laid under most dubious methods I might add) dry.gif .



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Posted 08 March 2006 - 06:59 PM

I cleaned out the Nepean Highway store.

I can highly recomment the 2003 Coonawarra Cabsav Clean skin -6-99 and tasted more like $18.

Thx Tithers






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