Topic: Slice turned to push

Bunny,

A late inclusion, however, I too had a slight push. It may be caused by standing too close to the ball. When coming down to strike the ball, by standing too close, your arms have no where to go in release, so they release outwards. I have corrected this (sometimes) by standing about an inch further back. Hope all suggetions help you.

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What about ball position, couldn’t having it too far back contribute to a push?

Work is for people who don’t know how to play GOLF.

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

Ball position for any golf shot is critical. However, only the golfer himself can determine what is the best ball position that gives him the ball flight he is looking for within his swing dynamics.

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Speakin from experience there ;-) It was picked up on in a lesson. To get around it I was compensating in other areas and while the results were good for the most, I prefer doing it right than compensating!

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Mr C, that also comes into play in terms of the initial flight. Good spot.

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What about ball position, couldn’t having it too far back contribute to a push?

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I seekgolf guru

Excuse my ignorance here but I have a similar problem to Bunny’s. I have always been taught to “shake hands with the target” i.e. arms straight and pointing to the target. Is this another bit of so called “good advice” I should forget about?

China,

YOUR “target” is the ball and THE “target” is the ball’s destination.

However, for the purposes of sorting out this guy’s, and your, problem, THE “target” should become the initial line of ball flight.

If he/you tend to fade, then the initial line of ball flight is slightly left of the ball’s destination – and for a draw, that would be slightly right.

Topic: Slice turned to push

Bunny

It could be that in trying to correct a slice, you have developed a good backswing/downswing action that allows you to come from the inside. However, you may not be completing your pivot action, and completing the swing. The hands should move to the region of the right shoulder in the backswing and to the left shoulder in the followthrough, so that the clubhead swingarc is symmetrical. For the hands to move to the left shoulder region in the followthrough/finish phase of the swing, the hands must move inside and not down-the-line post-impact. To achieve that goal, one needs to actively turn the torso through the impact zone, so that the front of the torso faces the target in the followthrough/finish and the arms/hands/clubshaft should be in front of the front of the rotated torso.

See this photo of Aaron Baddeley’s followthrough.

Badds followthrough

Note that his chest/abdomen is facing the target and that his arms/clubshaft is in front of his body – well inside his stance line and opposite the left shoulder.

The message – keep turning the torso after impact!

Jeff.

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That bit of advice has to be taken in context of ‘where are you trying to shake hands to.

If I were standing chest onto someone then shaking hards is directly forward of my chest.

In a golf swing its a little less square chested from your setup pose isn’t it.

The rotation the hand shake visualizes is good from that set up pose. Except we really need in golf to shake hands with a bent right wrist not a flat one.

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I seekgolf guru

Excuse my ignorance here but I have a similar problem to Bunny’s. I have always been taught to “shake hands with the target” i.e. arms straight and pointing to the target. Is this another bit of so called “good advice” I should forget about?

Topic: Slice turned to push

So if it is a push (no tail to the right) then the face at separation is aimed that way without quite enough anti-clockwise rotation going on to get it square. So spin the pivot a bit quicker and you should get the ball out straighter.

Both arms straight should be out to right field.

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Where is your follow through aiming? ie are you arms pointing when both straight down the target line or out to right field?

Topic: Off-green putt + clumsiness = ???

Before 1.1. 2008:

When a ball is in motion, an obstruction that might influence the movement of the ball, other than an attended flagstick or equipment of players, must not be removed.

After 1.1 2008:
When a ball is in motion, an obstruction that might influence the movement of the ball, other than equipment of any player or the flagstick when attended, held up or removed, must not be removed.

It will no longer be a penalty to remove a flagstick lying on the ground.
A very good change.

Topic: Off-green putt + clumsiness = ???

Yep, someone standing near the flagstick is regarded as attending the flagstick. If you’re aware of him, he’s acting with your authority.

So did you sign for a par or a double-bogey?

BTW, some of the decisions on flagsticks are mind bending. For instance, person A is getting ready to putt. Person B takes the flag out of the ground and lays it on the ground. When A putts, B realises that the ball is going to hit the flagstick, so he picks the flagstick up out of the path of the ball.

Result: person B loses the hole in match play, or loses two strokes in stroke play, for moving an obstruction which might influence the movement of the ball. Yowsers.

Reverse every natural instinct you have and do just the opposite of what you are inclined to do and you will probably come very close to having a perfect golf swing. – BEN HOGAN, POWER GOLF

AAA … this happened in a club game not long ago and yes it was a 2 shot penalty to the guy that moved the flag … what is the new ruling on the situation shortly going to be ???

Thanks.

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Thanks Johanna , wrote them down this time.Won,t lose them again (I hope.)

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;-)

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Before anyone asks, they are the same as the R&A rules and decisions.

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You’ll find them at this address, and a lot more:

www.usga.org/rules

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where do I find these rules modifications ,found them before but da@#ed if I can now

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AAA – thanks for the heads up on the modified rule for 2008.

Which of those decisions do you regard as relevant here? Either he was aware of his friend attending the stick or not. If not, the attendance was unauthorized and his friend wears the penalty.

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He didn’t actually have the flagstick in his hand, which I think was partially the reason he reacted so slowly and messed up. Yes, he was standing near the flag but not holding it, but no, I hadn’t requested that he attend the flag

How close to the flagstick was he when you addressed the ball ? And were you aware that he was there at that time?

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17-2/1 Opponent or Fellow-Competitor Attends Flagstick Without Authority But Ceases Attendance on Instruction of Player

Q. While a player is preparing to play from near the putting green, his opponent or fellow-competitor attends the flagstick without the player’s authority or prior knowledge. The player makes the stroke, looks up and sees the flagstick being attended. While the ball is in motion, the player tells the opponent or fellow-competitor to leave the flagstick in the hole and step away, which he does. What is the ruling?

A. Since the unauthorized attendance might have influenced the movement of the ball, the opponent or fellow-competitor was in breach of Rule 17-2. The opponent or fellow-competitor does not avoid the penalty under Rule 17-2 by ceasing his attendance of the flagstick.
In match play, the opponent loses the hole (Rule 17-2).
In stroke play, the fellow-competitor is penalized two strokes and the ball is played as it lies. If the player’s ball strikes the flagstick, the player incurs no penalty (Rule 17-2).

17-2/2 Flagstick Attended by Opponent or Fellow-Competitor Without Authority While Player’s Ball in Motion

Q. A player plays from just off the putting green with the flagstick in the hole. While the ball is in motion, an opponent or fellow-competitor, without the authority of the player, removes the flagstick either because he believes the ball will not reach the hole or it has gone past the hole. What is the ruling?

A. The opponent or fellow-competitor is not penalized if the removal of the flagstick could not have influenced the movement of the ball.
If there is any doubt as to whether the ball could have reached the hole or, having gone past the hole, returned to the hole (e.g., as a result of the slope of the putting green, wind, etc.), the opponent loses the hole in match play or the fellow-competitor incurs a penalty of two strokes in stroke play for a breach of Rule 17-2.

Topic: Off-green putt + clumsiness = ???

For instance, person A is getting ready to putt. Person B takes the flag out of the ground and lays it on the ground. When A putts, B realises that the ball is going to hit the flagstick, so he picks the flagstick up out of the path of the ball.

Result: person B loses the hole in match play, or loses two strokes in stroke play, for moving an obstruction which might influence the movement of the ball. Yowsers

Not after Jan 1 2008 though. See new Rule 24

Topic: Off-green putt + clumsiness = ???

Yep, someone standing near the flagstick is regarded as attending the flagstick. If you’re aware of him, he’s acting with your authority.

So did you sign for a par or a double-bogey?

BTW, some of the decisions on flagsticks are mind bending. For instance, person A is getting ready to putt. Person B takes the flag out of the ground and lays it on the ground. When A putts, B realises that the ball is going to hit the flagstick, so he picks the flagstick up out of the path of the ball.

Result: person B loses the hole in match play, or loses two strokes in stroke play, for moving an obstruction which might influence the movement of the ball. Yowsers.

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17-3 Ball Striking Flagstick or Attendant

The player’s ball must not strike:
(a) The flagstick when it is being attended, removed or held up;
(b) The person attending or holding up the flagstick; or
(c) The flagstick in the hole, unattended, when the stroke has been made on the putting green.

Exception: When the flagstick is attended, removed or held up without the player’s authority — see Rule 17-2.

Penalty for Breach of Rule 17-3:
Match play — Loss of hole; Stroke play — Two strokes and the ball must be played as it lies.

Yes, you could have made the stroke without the flagstick being attended, and no penalty for hitting the flag when playing off the green. So the question is: was he acting with your authority? Note, you don’t need to explicitly direct him either way, if he’s standing there with the flag in his hand, if you don’t object, you have to wear the penalty…

17-1 Flagstick Attended, Removed or Held Up

Before making a stroke from anywhere on the course, the player may have the flagstick attended, removed or held up to indicate the position of the hole.
If the flagstick is not attended, removed or held up before the player makes a stroke, it must not be attended, removed or held up during the stroke or while the player’s ball is in motion if doing so might influence the movement of the ball.
Note 1: If the flagstick is in the hole and anyone stands near it while a stroke is being made, he is deemed to be attending the flagstick.
Note 2: If, prior to the stroke, the flagstick is attended, removed or held up by anyone with the player’s knowledge and he makes no objection, the player is deemed to have authorized it.
Note 3: If anyone attends or holds up the flagstick while a stroke is being made, he is deemed to be attending the flagstick until the ball comes to rest.