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The putter going cold hurt more than the swing issues IMHO…If he had dropped all the 7-8 footers he was on the first 3 days he would have been right in it (may not have won it, but would have been close)

If he had putted like he normally does he would have still had the lead going into the back nine and there might not have been as much pressure on his swing.

Virge is right too, he did get short and flippy in the middle of the round.

Mick

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dont know about the hard to watch,typical tin tank telecast u dont get see much else when playing with tigger but tigger,yes it was hard to watch when we did get to see him,but he is young and he wants IT,he,ll get there.

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The putter going cold hurt more than the swing issues IMHO…If he had dropped all the 7-8 footers he was on the first 3 days he would have been right in it (may not have won it, but would have been close)

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Yeah mate – he just got short and flippy… poor bastard. I am sure everyone does it under pressure with most swing patterns.

And then his putter went cold . . . he seemed to try and steer everything…

it was hard to watch.

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Did you notice how flat his backswing arc was? Short and flat, around his waist, and he does that little standup through impact thing which is part of the stack and tilt. Looks kinda funny to me still and bad luck on the final day but he definitely felt the pressure. Where was God on the 1st hole? oops…

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does anybodyknow to what side badds would usually have a missed fairway drive,L or R before he went to s-t, his bad shots in final round all went left I beleive,and how long has he being using this new swing,not sure how swing changes affect pros but as a hacker ,if I make any big changes I usually go worse until the change consolidates with the mind. Bad luck badds,get em next time

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I think they are giving a picture to copy that shows the work you have to do.

If you do the reverse pivot picture and turn back it looks like a golf swing but it is loaded into the ground. If you do the reverse C a bit it releases the pivot. Almost no one that I have taught ever had that pivot work.

Other ways of saying the same thing are; squeeze a dime where the sun don’t shine: left shoulder out and shoulder in: knock someone down with your left hip: throw a medicine ball or two house bricks and stuff like that.

Nothing new but the words. All a waste of time without educated hands which Bads had.

Once the hands can put the club into fairly good alignments, really heavy physics cements them in place.

ph

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I agree. Just think it was a drill.

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Whatever they have him doing it is apparently working….......

Baddeley looks nothing like some of those pictures from the article tho Paul…..that is my only issue…...........

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How does the stack and tilt look now?

I have not noticed any comment from the baggers! There may be a basic truth in the B/P action.

It will take the right breaks for him to survive the Tiger tomorrow. I just hope he pushes Tiger into doing something GREAT or STUPID preferably the latter. Sorry Tiger. I hope you miss right enough to make you miss left and right.

Good luck Bradman I mean Baddeley.

ph

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havent read every post, so dont know if its been posted, but heres a swing vision slow mo of badds

Badds Stack and Tilt

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It seems to be happening on the Rolling the Wrists and Arms thread. The others above are ok…..today. :-)

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Is it my computer? I can’t read the entire posts as the sentences go beyond the border lines.

anyone else?

Yeah. Same for me Spike

Wilkie

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Is it my computer? I can’t read the entire posts as the sentences go beyond the border lines.

anyone else?

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I have noticed the same thing in a lot of swings since I was shown a similar move. Fuzzy Zoeller was the most extreme.

The movements described by B/P, to me illuminate the basic physics regardless of how you remold the look of it. The FORCE in the swing is loaded then released DOWNWARD somewhere in the down swing. According to Newton ( Isaac not Jack ) there has to be an equal and opposite force someplace.

Now which way does that equal and opposite force go, how would you describe it and what would happen if you really PUT YOUR FOOT DOWN. So the Equal and Opposite force goes UP and IN away from the ball, lets say we focus on the left shoulder: if we really went large on the Up and In on the left shoulder would that magnify the Down and Out on the hands and clubhead. Bet the bottom of your swing it will, Equal and Opposite and with the leverage of the swing maybe four times the power but not four times the length. Maybe 30 Mtrs.

There will be direction issues. Big left issues. Welcome to good golfers problems. You beauty!

ph

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Virge, Well not for one minute do I believe that Badds is actually doing as they suggest in the photos. To a lesser degree sure, but the finish photos shown have a lot of compression on the base of the lumbar region into a mini ‘reverse C’ shape. Also as they go back there is a massive shoulder tilt and as you know ‘We’ don’t do this. There is just too much extra movement in this model that is unnecessary. I can live with the setup as it’s sort of GEish and into left side, but after that it is just, well for want of a better technical term, Yucky! But to get back to the point, Badds is swinging it pretty good now so whatever he’s doing is ok by me. PS if anyone saw the LPGA on the weekend the girl who won it over Karrie Webb looks to have something along these lines. Did anyone notice?

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Geoff,

Yes of course. I knew that as soon as I walked away.

I liked the heavy work the movement conveyed (centripetal drag). The harder you swing down and out the heavier you have to pull up and in with the body. Like a discus thrower.

Very few would realize how hard the pivot has to work in a correct swing.

ph

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Paul,

I prefer the traditional approach based on the standard hip pivot action – see http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/pivot.htm

I think that a good backswing pivot action with a rightwards tilted spine at the end of the backswing, followed by a downswing pivot over the left femoral head will cause the pelvis to rotate more smoothly, and in a more rounded fashion, and it will not abruptly jerk the lower spine with a sideways force due to an abrupt hip thrusting maneuver.

Jeff.

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Geoff,

Please, what is your alternative move?

I think there credentials and results are not to be PASSED OVER without a positive alternative suggestion.

The reverse move translates to a forward tilt to the ball and hip action a sideways tilt. Just what you wanted I would have thought.

I like the heavy thrust away from the ball to counterbalance and maximize the release forces. Anything less would be quitting.

I would like to know a better way.

ph

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Bennett and Plummer I would imagine.

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Hey Jeff, Who is B/P ?

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As a physician, with a special interest in biomechanics, I think that the B/P swing will predispose to back problems.

My reasoning. B/P recommend tilting the spine to the left in the backswing and downswing with a SUDDEN reversal of the tilt in the peri-impact phase of the swing – by pushing the butt under the spine in a “springing up” manner. In other words, they are recommending a pelvic thrust maneuver just before impact that suddenly causes the lumbar spine to change its orientation from being tilted TOWARDS the target to being tilted AWAY from the target. A sudden, abrupt tilt-reversal of the lumbar spine is not good for the spine, especially when they also recommend ending the swing in a reverse C position.

Jeff.

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My chiropractor would probably sue me. lol

Hey Dude – where do you see the back issues… I don’t see any . . . well any more than a “normal” swing . . .

my back has felt batter than with my “normal” swing

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My chiropractor would probably sue me. lol

Hey Dude – where do you see the back issues… I don’t see any . . . well any more than a “normal” swing . . .

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Let me help a brother out . . .

I just wish incompetence and misinformation was made a misdemeanor only so as it was corrected. I don’t mind stack and tilt one bit. But surly some one spruking piffle should be slammed. I know it’s only a game but so is life. So why can’t we get it right. Or a least not so pathetically wrong. Someone ain’t thinking’ too good.

PH is saying here that the golf swing is a relatively easy thing to work out – once you do a bit of study and understand the fundementals. The problem being that there are SO MANY people out there with such weird and wacky theories that they talk utter shite. These people should be talken out and shot.

I mean you just can’t have loose canons shooting off and some one not say, hey!

Someone has to stop this…

If you don’t agree that’s fine, wait till you have been screwed around 100 more time. Then come and tell me.

Once you do a bit of study – you will see what I am saying – it may take a few months or years – but come and see me when you can see what I see.

Thankyou . . thankyou very much, Enjoy your evening and don’t forget to tip your waitress.