Topic: Outside In Swing

Kpavey

It appears that on your downswing, the problems mentioned above (FST) stem from the hips not tilting as you come into impact. At impact your right hip should be approx 6-12 degrees below your left. This will then fix the FST and a lot more

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The set up would be the same as the inside angled dowel is the read life line we wish to cover with the clubhead. Note it will point TO the parallel line (imagine a light ala the flashlight drill) but COVER visually the inside track line.

If you wish to give yourself a marker to miss on a way inside line then put a tee in the ground inside the angled dowel. For those who are way too inside you must feel that you are picking the club UP rather than swinging it around yourself too flat.

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Hope that helps

Guru,

Should you take an opposite approach to trying to key an IN to OUT swing? would the station set up similarly?

TW,

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OK I will read up

Here’s the links to the swing though

http://www.youtube.com/watc…
http://www.youtube.com/watc…

One friend has suggested my backswing looks outside the correct line, setting up the outside in result. Comments welcomed. Cheers to all.

Cheers, Kendrick

kpavey,

Take away is not too bad, despite your poor posture.

Your posture is causing you to make a very flat shoulder turn (FST), which is the start of your real problems, I think.

The FST is causing you to start the down swing with an OUT instead of a DOWN when talking of your right shoulder motion.

OUT and not DOWN, of course, leads to another of your problems and that is your tendency to swing out to in. Once you realise that is going on then club face manipulation kicks in and steering the ball down the line to save pulling it left buggers you up also.

Guru’s little work station set up will get you on the right angle of approach but do not neglect the start of your problems – the FST followed by the OUT before the DOWN movement of your right shoulder.

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Hope that helps

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No there isn’t. Hang loose and I will see if I can get one done today.

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In your practice warm ups set up with one club parallel to your feet and another outside the ball that aims out to the right at about 15 degrees to the parallel one. get out a wedge and then put a tee in the ground 3” in front of the ball and 1” outside it. Now look at the tee and practice swing seeing the clubhead sort of covering the outside shaft. Now make a real swing looking at the tee. The Tee is close to your real low point target to swing through and to. You ball will just take off nicely with a divot post the ball that should take out the tee as well.

Read the Fix Your Golf Swing article to see why this works.

Paul, is there a diagram of this somewhere on the site? Thanks.

TW,

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Brains trust must have all be playing golf this weekend:)

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My conclusion is that my takeaway was basically arms only. My chest/hips did not turn with the hands on the takeaway. This brings the club outside the correct line and also opens the face. Probably also makes the plane too steep and limits the useful spring energy stored in the lower half of the body.

Went down the range and tried the correct process and seemed to ping the ball generally much straighter with less pull-fade – still a bit on some shots. Still need to watch the right elbow, but as long as its tucked in on the way down it should deliver an inside-out swing path.

Anyone else notice these findings from the shots I posted on U tube?

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Why would you like to restrict your right arm from throwing? You would hit at the ball with a girls throw and we all know how bad they can look.

Now keep it close on the downswing, thats a different matter.

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For a Right handed golfer, keep that right elbow close to your body on that back-swiing. It does make a difference.

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OK I will read up

Here’s the links to the swing though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmcSSnL10Vo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGvvJC9SHSQ

One friend has suggested my backswing looks outside the correct line, setting up the outside in result. Comments welcomed. Cheers to all.

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Outside In old thread

If you use the Search facility up the top right hand corner and type in Outside In Swing you will find a heap of old threads with help for you.
The link I have thrown in up here is just one of them.

You need to post your swing up on U-Tube and then use the Link button on the right hand side of the text box to paste in the address there for us to look at.

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I had my $1000 round of golf at The Vines the other week. Sheesh living with the course over my back fence you would think I got out more often! Anyone want a membership:)

I can afford, and would like, the membership but the travel would be a bit of a grind!!!!!!!!!!

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Not at all – you can hit it as hard and freely as you like. Isn’t holding the clubface square called a vertical hinge in TGM-speak?

Sorry, but no. In your scenario its called manipulation of the club head in an attempt to divert the course of the ball from its geometric path to another one – “steering”.

Homer tells us that we have to give up control (meaning of this kind) in order to gain control (of the desired kind).

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Looks like the swing files are around 2Mb total, can I email these to you or somewhere on this site? Please confirm. If not can you please describe in more detail suitable drills or checks to help eliminate a pull-fade/outside-in swing path.

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Link did not stick:)

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I have a pull-fade tendency, more obvious with the longer clubs. Have filmed my driver, attached below. Any comments? Cheers Kendrick

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oftentimes much of this can be fixed at address. when a golfer puts one hand beneath the other on the handle, it tends to open up the shoulder and hip line to the left (for a right hander). it doesn’t matter what the footline shows, if the thighs, hips and shoulders are all pointed left, the club cannot travel to the inside on the backswing…only straight back or outside the line. thusly, the club cannot travel back on an inside path and strike the inside back quadrant of the ball. so, consciously realign the thighs, hips, and shoulders in a mirror until it becomes second nature to be square. then, the club has the chance to travel back, up and in simultaneously and return to the proper part of the ball. stand behind your playing partners on the tee and watch how many of them have their feel down the target and the rest of them pointed left.

This is so true. One lines up with the left hand on the club the reaches down to place the right hand on the club below it and in affect we reach down and forward opening up the shoulders. Think of tilting your spine straight back when you grip the club with the right hand and it will also get you that natural spine angle tilt you want.

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Haha. Yep the short stuff is way better than needing the Tree wood. I would say you have an Angled Hinge going on, ie a hand motion that does not feel like an active anticlockwise roll. This may feel like an opening face to you. When you are at full both arms straight chances are your clubface will be at 45degreeish to the flight line.

I had my $1000 round of golf at The Vines the other week. Sheesh living with the course over my back fence you would think I got out more often! Anyone want a membership:)

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It’s highly probable I don’t do what I think I’m doing. Missing right is very rare, as is a high right drive. Although it’s also rare, I’m subconsciously afraid of hooking shots, probably from my younger days. I wouldn’t have played 20 rounds in the last 10 years so the main aim is to just keep the pill in play so maybe I do steer it. Thank God for the occasional ISG day or I wouldn’t have played at all this year.

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A vertical hinge gives you the “face pointing at the sky” in a wedge look with an opening clubface. With a driver if you use a Vertical as well as an OTT path you are looking at huge high bananas. A vertical hinge has the face opening (to the plane line) and laying back to show more loft. The opening action leads to the cut spin and an OTT adds to it.

Now I said it seems like steering as most people thing its common sense to keep the face square to the intended flight line and make all sorts of motions to keep the face square. All that happens is the ball goes higher and left/righter the harder they hit it. That is what I was referring too a steering.

An Angled hinge (still closing but not as rapidly as with a Horizontal Hinge) will give you a nice cut/fade. A bit more if you are OTT.

VHinges for a driver are not on the recommended shot list unless you are cutting a dog leg corner with a big tree line:) Generally mid to high handicappers only need the VH for a short game and need to relegate it to the bin for long sticks where they struggle with the right side of the fairway and bush.

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Not at all – you can hit it as hard and freely as you like. Isn’t holding the clubface square called a vertical hinge in TGM-speak?

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No matter what swing path is used, the important thing is the clubface angle. With an inside out swing the margin is very fine, whereas slightly across the line gives a greater margin. As long as the face doesn’t close you’ve got the whole fairway width to play with. With a FLW, it’s easy to prevent the face closing by having the back of the left hand follow the path line past impact..

Hmmmm, this seems like Steering.

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No matter what swing path is used, the important thing is the clubface angle. With an inside out swing the margin is very fine, whereas slightly across the line gives a greater margin. As long as the face doesn’t close you’ve got the whole fairway width to play with. With a FLW, it’s easy to prevent the face closing by having the back of the left hand follow the path line past impact..

Interesting theory…I’m a senior golfer without much if any previous coaching. My divots show a tendacy to be slightly outside the line. I find consistent ball striking is my greatest asset. I’m probably doing many things wrong, but it never got to the point score wise where I wanted to seriously change things.

I’m a left hander who plays golf right hand and video’s show a FLW. Length was never a problem when I was young…these days I’m trying to swing more down and out and hold the lag to increase distance.