Topic: Golf Talk / Frustration

Lately on the course i have been getting so frustrated with myself. My handicap has dropped alot and im now into A grade, so i have to play pretty good to score well now. I have been hitting some poor shots lately (lots of them) and just not playing how i know i can. Im getting really pissed off on the course lately and throwing little dummy spits. I belted a ball today from the side of the green with my putter. I felt like an idiot after wards. I dont want to be known as an angry person within the club thats for sure. Any thoughts as to what i should do to try and get over my anger. I really want to get over it, but sometimes i get pissed off. Like today when i missed an easy 3 footer for par……

Aspiring club ho!

Hi Chris, your problem is more common than you think. Many golfers who drop their handicaps quickly tend to expect too much from themselves all the time. There is normally a period after a big h’cap drop that the golfer struggles with their game until they start to relax and enjoy their game again. After all you took the game up for fun didn’t you???

The other suggestions regarding eating patterns is very good. You must eat and drink to help maintain mental alertness and keep your body hydrated.

Topic: Golf Talk / Wierdest Tee Off

On quiet days myself and fellow co worker use to hit golf balls through the front doorway of the Proshop onto the 18th green at RMGC.

Also many years ago a friend of mine worked on the oil platforms out in Bass Straight and in rest time he would hit balls into the ocean.

Topic: Golf Equipment / full circle plane

You can get an Explanar through Andy Smith @ Guru Golf here in Melbourne. I know he has 2 in stock

Topic: Golf Equipment / Iron Upgrades

Why don’t you try the following people:

Rob Grant- Pro Tune Golf in Ashwood
Jon (golfguy33)- in Clayton

Both these guys put together some great stuff !!!

Topic: Golf Equipment / Henry-Griffitts Clubs?

I’m interested if no-one else is. Not too keen on HG sticks mind you, just curious how far off my current clubs are from what a fitter would put me up for. And curious about the process as well.

What is the go, however, if someone is in the process of reworking their swing (very generous term when applied to my normal hack) – can you measure something in flux? Or is it better to do a fit once the new swing is bedded down?

Reverse every natural instinct you have and do just the opposite of what you are inclined to do and you will probably come very close to having a perfect golf swing. – BEN HOGAN, POWER GOLF

Muntz, lets go through a club assessment first and then check your swing out. Your clubs will be checked for loft, lie, swing weight, dead weight, length and shaft frequency.

If you want to do it before Christmas then we can use Guru Golf as they have all the equipment. After Christmas I will be coaching and club fitting at a different venue in Melbourne.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Henry-Griffitts Clubs?

There are exceptions to the standard rules.

You shouldn’t comment on things you have not seen. I am not ignorant or stupid. I know what the standard fitting procedure is and what increasing length does or should do. A person can take a putter and hold it on the ground then imagine it an inch longer and see how it ‘should’ adjust to be more upright. But this does not work for me. I have no idea why. When being fitted recently I expected to be half an inch longer and a couple degrees upright. The pro, knowing my swing, even had a club set up a bit longer expecting it to be magic. Didn’t work.

I do not like the way HG fits or atleast my experience with it. It was very negative.

On a side note: I reckon if HG was on the ball they would jump all over TLT as it seems inline with their swing philosophy.

Solarbear, if you live in Melbourne I would be happy to go through a club fit with you FOC, not strings attached and I would expect your honest opinion after the experience, good or bad!!!

Let me know if you wish to take me up on the offer.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Low compression balls

drop them via e-mail to golfguruATiseekgolf.com I will work out how to put them up in here:)

Thanks

How big is your mailbox?? Can it hold 24 meg+??

Topic: Golf Equipment / Henry-Griffitts Clubs?

PGA Pro

I think you’re being a little bit too aggressive. Not a HG fitter by any chance?

The HG system is well designed, and in my experience the pro’s that fit HG gear are good pro’s and I wouldn’t have any second thoughts about seeing any of them for lessons.

BUT….

If I were to go with the fitting suggestions of these HG fitters I would be playing clubs 2” long and 3 degress flat. I struggle with keeping my swing upright enough (it creeps flat if I let it), and 2” long would only make this struggle harder to overcome.

Plus, with the extra length and decreased loft of the HG clubs, I would have to ditch the 3-iron, and pick up a wedge with loft in between the HG pitching wedge and my current gap wedge. A gap gap wedge I guess you’d call it. I know of too many HG fitted ‘good’ golfers who have gained distance and lost accuracy after being fitted with HG clubs, handicaps blowing out as a result.

It is all about being able to hit the ball in the middle of the clubhead.

As i stated earlier, I am happy to go to either of the two HG fitters I know for lessons, tips, advice. But would not go back to either of them to be fitted.

There is no society in human history that ever suffered because its people became too reasonable.
—Sam Harris

I am a qualified fitter for many brands of clubs not just HG’s. There are good points and bad points for all fitting systems but any club setup is the responsibility of the fitter to get right. HG will backup their product if any client has problems with their clubs. They offer rebuild or replacement of clubs if the clubs don’t work as they should or an incorrect fit was done. (100 days)

Topic: Golf Equipment / Henry-Griffitts Clubs?

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Lets put it this way. I don’t like the HG fitting system or at least the one used by most of their fitters. The 1 inch long club fitting I had raised the heel of my club about 1 inch off the ground so the chance of hitting a ball squarely is hopeless. Their fitting system is hopeless.

Solarbear I don’t think you know what you are talking about!!! A club 1” longer than standard would not have raised the heel off the ground by 1 inch. A club made 1” longer than standard would only change the lie angle 2 deg plus it wouldn’t make the heel lift off the ground but more the toe of the club. Get it right !!!

I know what you are saying – I can see the physics and math of it in my head – but all 1 inch longer does is make the problem worse. It doesn’t necessarily raise the heel up but the problem gets worse as the toe is more prone to dig in. I actually need clubs 1/2 an inch shorter and the whole thing flattens out.

Incorrect where I am concerned.

HG = Hopeless Golf… everyone on the forum knows it.

Solarbear you can still add length to a club and then make the clubhead flatter which doesn’t change how the clubhead sits. You are totally incorrect with what is happening when the club is lengthened and your actual lies.
If your actual lie needed was 1 deg flat at standard length and the pro suggested an extra inch then he would order the clubhead 3 deg flat creating an effective lie of 1 deg flat. (For every half inch added to a club it makes the clubhead 1 deg upright)

I would add length to the club if you needed it for posture and could still hit the ball in the middle of the clubface. If you want to learn more about clubfitting I would be happy to help but if you want to make stupid comments that are based on ignorance then you are on your own.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Henry-Griffitts Clubs?

HG was actually the first company to custom fit golf clubs so you would be hard pressed to say that they know nothing about club fitting and support your opinion factually. In fact most club fitting is based on the HG model. The company originated in a small town in the US by a man who was almost laughed out of the industry because he wanted to to tailor golf clubs to a person’s swing instead of the to one’s height (the industry standard at the time). Of course, not all club fitters are equal. Club fitters are required to be PGA professionals and attend school II training, but they are not always up to par. I’m sorry to hear about all of the negative responses but am far more disappointed in the lack of knowledge these opinions represent. Somehow, many of these responses remind me of the responses custom club fitting, now the norm, initially received.

Check your timelines……............

‘83
Henry-Griffitts is Founded Randy Henry and Jim Griffitts (Hayden Lake CC), two teaching professionals form the company.
Although Randy Henry 1st came up with the concept in 1977.

Ping – Karsten Solheim started custom fitting golfers in 1972 – although he came up with the concept in the late 60’s.

More companies and clubmakers have taken and used Karsten Solheims ideas and theories on club making than any one else. period.

e.g – Ping were the 1st Cavity back irons on the market & how many putters over the years have resembled the Anser putter that was a major milestone in Karsten’s career.

Ping make a great product and have done so for many years. In the early days Karsten and Randy Henry’s shared ideas for club fitting. Randy originally worked as a club desinger for MacGregor and came up with the idea of using CuBe heads but didn’t like how they tarnished over time.Karsten used it and made a lot of money from it.
HG was founded in 1983 but it all started well before then!!!

Topic: Golf Equipment / Low compression balls

I only have the Mpeg files but if you want them let me know. I will burn you a copy and leave it at Guru Golf.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Henry-Griffitts Clubs?

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Lets put it this way. I don’t like the HG fitting system or at least the one used by most of their fitters. The 1 inch long club fitting I had raised the heel of my club about 1 inch off the ground so the chance of hitting a ball squarely is hopeless. Their fitting system is hopeless.

Solarbear I don’t think you know what you are talking about!!! A club 1” longer than standard would not have raised the heel off the ground by 1 inch. A club made 1” longer than standard would only change the lie angle 2 deg plus it wouldn’t make the heel lift off the ground but more the toe of the club. Get it right !!!

Topic: Golf Equipment / Henry-Griffitts Clubs?

I don’t know of any other company in the world who give a 100 day guarantee on the club fit plus, lifetime warranty on lie angles plus normal warranties.

Lets see what happens with club fitting and recommended standards over the next few years. As each year goes by since HG first came out more and more companies copy their fitting ideas.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Low compression balls

PGA Pro…did you smoke that drive that you have pictured? The ball was teed down low…..
Cheers

Smokem, unfortunately it isn’t me but yes the ball is teed a little low. I use this picture to explain to my clients what happens to a ball at impact. I also have the mpeg clips of an iron and this driver being hit. If you want a copy then just let me know.

Cheers

PGA Pro

Topic: Golf Equipment / Henry-Griffitts Clubs?

i will give you an idea of what you will get in your HG fitting session.

pro- ‘hi, hows it goin. can you hit a few balls for me??’

client- shank, air swing, fat, thin, middles one.

pro- ‘there we go, that’s how we want to hit them. i think if i make your lie angles 7° upright, and make your set length, based around a 5 iron at 40 inches, you will be off scratch in no time. Go see Sven behind the counter to pay your $5000…NEXT!!!!!!!!’

What a load of cr…p butchy!!!

If you have actually gone through a HG club fit yourself I would be very surprised as it doesn’t work that way.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Low compression balls

Compression of a golf ball at impact

Topic: Golf Talk / Fixing the Yips pt2

That’s good news but make sure you keep working on it for the next few months otherwise you may be back to square one again.

Topic: Golf Talk / GOLF GPS

So the point being, don’t buy a GPS gimmick in Australia, just walk it out and you will get the result for nothing.

PGA Pro – are you flogging these GPS units things or something.

I use to sell GPS devices and have gone back to teaching and club fitting again. The travelling got to me after a while and living out of a suitcase isn’t much fun!!

GPS does have it’s place in golf and for all those who say that they are traditionalists and don’t think it should be used then have a look at the clubs in your bag. Your new Taylor Made driver will have more of a bearing on your game than just knowing the distances. Unless you play off a handicap of 4 or less then don’t expect that you can hit shots within 7 metres or less consistantly.

Topic: Golf Talk / Golf club maintenance

Does this pitting effect the performance of the club or is it more a cosmetic issue?

I also have RAC’s and have noticed the same thing on some of mine too.. I clean them regularly, but easy to see how it can happen reading PGA Pro’s explanation.

Over time the rust will start moving around inside the shaft and can weaken the shaft. The most common result is a broken shaft. The worst result I have ever seen was when a guy walked into the proshop with blood everywhere down his arms. The shaft had actually broken under the grip and because it was so sharp it slashed the palm of his hand right open.

Look after your equipment and it will last longer!!

Topic: Golf Talk / GOLF GPS

All the handheld GPS devices used here in Australia will have an accuracy of sub metre to 5m. The reason for this is that we don’t have access to WAAS or EGNOS satellite network here and we rely on the basic satellite network. The larger cart mounted systems usually have their own differential base station to give greater accuracy at a very high price.

In the USA the WAAS network corrects the signal from the satellites through a base station and a geo-stationary satellite network. The expected accuracy in the USA and Europe would be around 1 metre.

The professional mapping equipment I used would give me accuracy of around 15 cms but costs around $14,000. This equipment could work from the normal WAAS/ EGNOS system as well as the navigation stations for shipping.

Topic: Golf Talk / Fixing the Yips

One thing I tried was to put a sh*t load of lead tape on the putter head and the extra weight did help reduce the unwanted muscle movements. I screwed up the control of my putting lengths but the stroke did feel better!!

Topic: Golf Talk / Golf club maintenance

Once the shaft has started to pit the damage is already done and you will not be able to stop it. The shafts start rusting from the inside out when moisture gets into the shaft through the small hole in the end of the grip

The most common reason for the shafts rusting this way is playing in the rain or high humidity and leaving the clubs in the boot for a few days. A light application of some car polish will help remove the surface rust and give some protection. Just remember to take them out of car and the golf bag after play to let them dry.

Topic: Golf Talk / Club throwing

Don’t worry, racinfarmer will need all of his $875 trophy voucher money to pay for the reshafts!!!

Topic: Golf Talk / Fixing the Yips

Trust is a very big part of getting through the yips. At one stage I didn’t feel or think I could hole a put from 2 feet and would much rather hit the ball further away from the pin just to have a longer putt.

After visiting the USA and catching up with a few friends all of this changed for the better. It was explained to me by one of my friends that he thought the yips were caused by a malfunction in the visual and tactile abilties of the individual. After getting me to hit a few putts with my eyes closed I started to feel my stroke begin to be a bit smoother.

We then worked on hitting one foot putts with my eyes shut and after a little while started moving back to 2 feet and then 3+. I began to trust my stroke and listen for the ball to go in the hole. If it didn’t hear it go in then I had to nominate if the putt was short/long or left/right. After this process I was able to match the feel to result which is very important in golf.

Also after this process my eyes no longer followed the putter head back and through which turned out to be one of my other problems. Over the years I have seen some technically poor actions but because some of these people were so confident with what they did, they kept on making putts.

Who cares what the stroke looks like as long as you can get it in the hole each time!!! ;-)

Topic: Golf Equipment / Shaft clamping tool - metal/rubber

Speak to Greame Hardy at Executive Golf in Melbourne, I’m sure he can help.