Topic: Golf Architecture / Redesign - objective and strategy

Yan

The Clayton boys may be double dipping, getting the design and construction fees.

Topic: Golf Architecture / Keeping balls away from Housing

The Clayton Design Boys asking The Cashmore Team for advise.

Great work Jeffery "pure gold".

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Mike Clayton to redesign Lake Karrinyup

Jeffery

Thanks mate, been flat out and lookout Dubai..

I understand 69'ers governor pulled out and "NC" was the only other contender.

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Mike Clayton to redesign Lake Karrinyup

Jeffery your employer "Mr Clayton" must be happy with himself.

I concur with 69 and mothman, hardly a selection process when you have a short list of one.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Clubmaking school.

Serpell Golf in Bendigo Victoria, used to run a short course not sure if they still do

Serpell Golf
29 Miller St Bendigo VIC 3550
ph: (03) 5441 3199

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / In-house Golf design Pty Ltd

How many course has Mike Clayton done on his own???

Who is Phil Ryan and what work has he done on HIS OWN? Jack, thought you'd be better much informed. Phil Ryan "Pacific Coast Design"

Jim
"Of course, plenty of the so called professionals aren't very good at design and construction either".

"couldn't agree more"

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / In-house Golf design Pty Ltd

Jack

Do you think Mike Clayton doesn't consult his business partners Sloan & Grant

Do you think Jack Newton didn't consult his partners Grant & Spencer

Phil Ryan

As for construction
Mc Mahon
Grove
Purchase
Parker

that'll do now

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / In-house Golf design Pty Ltd

I would suggest that some clubs don't aspire to greatness.. and rightly so...

others may not have the wherewithal to engage a designer... and there are plenty of greenkeepers compotent in design and construction..

Where does HSC's club fit ... who'd know unless he comes good with the club's name

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Where is the next Barnbougle?

G69

Tiffeagle condition at North Lakes in a word "maintenance"

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Where is the next Barnbougle?

Turfgrasses can generally be broken into two categories, warm and cool season.

Warm season are your couches and creeping varieties.

Cool season are your bents and fescues.

The Queensland climate is not conducive for cool season grasses.

In the Australian southern states the dormancy of couch grasses is an issue, hence the two grass strategy at Royal Melb & Commonwealth to name two.

Most new strains of couches/creeping variety grass currently under research are for shade tolerance, limiting disease/insect invasion and reduced dormancy periods.

G69
The jury is not out on tiffeagle (for greens); it is a very good grass if managed correctly.

Topic: Golf Architecture / Par 3's - Maximum Length.

My understanding is that length of holes was stated in the Australian golfers handbook... produced by the AGU annually..

It used to be:

Par 3 to 235 metres
Par 4 to 435 metres

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Churchill Park

Tithers..

I was under the impression that "Churchill" was being considered for relocation to Victoria Road... PCD were the architects...

Is this still the case...

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Pacific Harbour photos

Thank you Bruce.

It is nice to be informed of developments that are happening around the traps.

Is this QM Properties first foray into golf course development.

Topic: Golf Architecture / Using a well known Architect

Stan... Specky

I would doubt that 3-4 mil would cover statutory planning application/approval, environmental management, design fees, construction costs plus the costs of facilities and amenities also irrigation and pumping system.

Plus the little extras like

Cart paths, car parking, water storage, practice facilities, maintenance buildings,
landscape planting, clubhouse surrounds and access.

In addition golf course furniture and maintenance shed fit-out.

Design fees are usually lump sum and therefore not subject to large fluctuations.

It is not the "design fee" you should be consentrating on but construction and ongoing maintenance costs...

If consideration is already being given to selecting a designer on fees alone... then ... selection of a construction and/or irrigation company should be very interesting...

It is a fact that the better designers can save significant sums during the construction process...

Unfortunately in this day and age "litigation" is becoming the norm... should a group of members design the course and someone enventually gets hurt ... guess which group will have to front the courts...

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / What makes a bad course bad ?

Miike, its like a meal and art, some sit better than others and some look better than others.

Unfortunately I have to agree with G69 it is mostly subjective.

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Sale Golf CLub

G69

You could always check www.turnpoint.com.au

One very serious construction company are these guys the next big thing...??

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Sale Golf CLub

Jeffery, well said.

One point of order TWP or "P" designed the changes the actual golf hole/s construction was undertaken by Turnpoint Golf Course Construction.

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Sandscrapes - Which is the best?

Lancilen in West Aust sensational views...

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Golf Courses for Sale?

Add Pelican Waters to the list or Club Pelican as it will soon be known...

Topic: Golf Equipment / 983K to R7 :)

How did I find myself in here.???

New drivers, irons, wedges, putters, shafts length, lead tape, tip size, fairway woods, rescue irons, training aids, stats programmes, grips, grip thichness, tees, gloves, bags, butt size, ferrules, shaft flex, balls, umbrellas, wet weather gear...

G69 "Trickie" I am seeing the light brother, I am seeing the light.

Topic: Golf Talk / Go PAZ!!!!!!!

This is what was in Parry's bag at the Ford Championship...

Driver: Callaway ERC Fusion 9°
3 Wood plus: Callaway Big Bertha
Irons (2-9): Ben Hogan APEX Plus
Wedge (PW): Ben Hogan APEX Plus
Wedges (SW, LW): Ben Hogan APEX Plus 54° & 60°
Putter: Odyssey White Hot 2-Ball
Ball: Callaway HX Tour

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Answers

G69

I agree with JJJ the game should be fun. Reward those that play well irrespective of their individual talents. If someone plays well "so be it".

If you revisit the ISG thread
"What is your lowest ever hcp and what is your best round"?

It appears there are more people going backwards than forwards and I am sure most are now using the new equipment and balls.

Professionals and leading amatuers are not a true reflexion on your average golfer.
No designer/architect should be placing their designs on the precious few..

G69, you don't need answers, design and build the courses and let em play, and may the best player win irrespective of the score.

(I assume you can then repeat 5 and 69 (-1) at Wynnum).

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Thoughts on Victoria Golf Club

Henry are you saying that Derek and yourself are offering nothing new to the debate but plagiarising Mr. Clayton..

I like Damo's comments much better...

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Torquay Sands

I agree TT, play it a few times and formulate your own opinion..

It may not be the best track you ever play but it will as every golf course does offer its own unique challenges...

Topic: Your Favourite Golf Courses / Thoughts on Victoria Golf Club

Surely the first is a better par 4 than a par 3...

it appears Mike Claytons work is not standing up to indepth analysis from some ISGers