Topic: The Lounge / PETER CROKER

Dear Bowman,

I am here! I have been very busy building an Online Step by Step Golf Learning and training program.
Sasha Novak and I have now teamed up to offer any promising golfer a way to make it to the top on the PGA Tours of the world.

Some great players are testing the waters and are pleased with their progress.

Simon Owen has already won on the European Senior Tour. Peter Fowler plans to do the same on the European Tour in 2008 (main Tour)

Peter Fowler, Sasha Novak, and Peter Croker discussing “How to practice best for building accuracy.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

STEWART GINN and PETER FOWLER gaining some insights into “how to build accuracy in putting” from Peter Croker at The Dunes.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Dear Paul,

CGS is more than just an explanation of a solid set of basics for building an efficient and orthodox golf swing.

Croker Golf System includes a state of the art Graduated Learning Program that builds accuracy and a level of consistency that we all are looking for.
Sasha Novak has written a Book expanding on the Laws of Accuracy that are not to be found in any other golf teaching program that I have ever seen.
It has been very interesting to see the progress of several students combining both CGS and Sasha’s Laws of Accuracy. I now have 4 students who have reached over 2 meters and holing 100+ putts in a row – 2 students have made it out to 3 meters holing over 5o putts in a row.
With the Pitching program students are having stellar results also.

Peter Fowler reports significant improvement in his putting after only a month on the program.
I would love to hold a “Laws of Accuracy” Iseekgolf Workshop at the Dunes when the interest is there.

Kind regards,

Peter

PETER FOWLER and SASHA NOVAK after a solid 1 Day Coaching Session

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Hands Controlled Pivot

Dear Paul,

From my experience it takes between 30 and 60 days to complete the steps necessary to understand the “push’ involved to build an understanding and an ability to action a repeatable “hands controlled pivot” that can be repeated and hit solid chips and pitch shots.

If this is a short time, then it can be done.

It doesn’t take too much brains, only confront and persistence to complete each step thoroughly before proceeding to the next step.

The Steps are laid down!

Sincerely,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Toolish - Journey to scratch (I hope!)

You won’t get to scratch without a coach – the internet (and especially many of the muppets who keep giving you tips and advice) can only do so much for you. Get a coach.

Milhouse

Dear Toolish,

Milhouse is right! We all need a coach and if you are serious about

becoming a Pro, you need to do what successful pros do – they have a

coach they can believe in!

Best Wishes for 2008 and for following your dream!

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Dear Styles,

Thanks for posting your swing here.

Not too bad! – considering the hang over!

To handle any confusion you may have about what is the best thing for you to do – i would get to understand thoroughly “the pivot” and what causes a ‘firm left side’ through impact.

CGS has an answer that works and is minimal stress on the body – especially the back!

Happy New Year,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Hands Controlled Pivot

Dear ShortsTuff,

Educated hands certainly can take control over the body pivot and at the same time control club shaft, club head, and club face.

It is my experience that understanding the “push” concept – the “pressure points” – the direction of the ‘push” – the force of the “push.” – and the sequencing of the “pushing” forces that will ultimately control the pivot and its contribution to the over all swing motion.

Homer Kelley states that without “educated hands” more information is useless.

Homer Kelley’s preference is “Hands controlled Pivot” over “Pivot controlled hands.”

The “PUSH” Concept has now been fully defined! “Hands controlled pivot” can now be fully understood!

Enjoy the Hit!

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Dear Toto,

I am not sure what age you are or if you have ever played tournament golf at any level on any Tour

Anyone who plays at a high level of competence would be in awe of what Simon has done this last year.

Simon is only 57 and has posted lower scores this last year on average than his first season as a Senior when he won a European Senior Tour event also.

Anyway Simon has just posted some extra data on his thoughts on “Stack & Tilt” and I thought this might be of interest to those who are interested in CGS and how it rates against other methods as seen by those who have tested out CGS thoroughly.
The Croker Golf System is founded in TGM principles – the geometry of the circle – the physics of Rotation – and geometric alignments of the components that maximize power and control and minimize stress on the body and brain.
Simon applies CGS very well and i anticipate him to do even better in 2008.

Here is Simon’s extra thoughts on “Stack & Tilt.”

Since my first post on “Stack & Tilt” I’ve had a few more thoughts on the subject in question.
My over-riding problem with the S & T method is this – Why would you not want to use the strong rotary force in the downswing?
When I first saw the explanation of how the S & T system works it was like taking a trip back to the good old 60’s. You remember, flower power, The Momma’s & the Poppas, hippies and the dreaded reverse C in the golf swing.
Well, this strong lateral hip slide advocated by the S & T method really reminds me of the golf swing of that era. I never in my wildest dreams thought the reverse C would ever be reinvented and renamed.
It seems to me that the only reason a reverse C would be required in the downswing is because the golfer hasn’t coiled properly in the backswing and therefore the arms and hands are in the wrong position at the top of the backswing.
If anyone reading this is not too sure what I’m getting at, then I would strongly urge that person to invest a few dollars in the CGS levels program so that you’ll get a good understanding of the golf swing as a whole. Not just a few bits here and there. The golf swing IS a whole motion and needs to be taught and understood as a WHOLE motion. NO SHORTCUTS !!!!
Personally, I’ve worked with Peter for some years now but I must say I’ve found his “Levels Program” to be the most enlightening sessions I’ve had with him. I’ve learnt so much and I’m continuing to learn as I go through the program.
So well done Peter. I, for one, have learnt a lot and I’m certain I’ll turn this new found knowledge into $$$’s during my 2008 season on the European PGA Senior’s Tour.

Simon Owen

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Maximum Trigger Delay

Dear Royshh,

In applying the Croker Golf System ‘direction of Hit” you can control the change of angle of clubshaft to left arm throughout the downswing and through the impact zone quite simply. A “wrong direction of Hit” will cause ‘clubhead throwaway’ and loss of the “late hit angles’ you are chasing.

Maximum delay of the angle of the club shaft to the left arm is created by maximum thrust against the club via the ‘pressure points in the hands while delivering the clubhead on the correct down and out path to and through the golf ball.

Ideally from an “in alignment” backswing, the downswing is started while the backswing is still winding up. You trigger this change of direction by attempting to “uncock” the wrists and “throwing the clubhead directly down and out at the golf ball – educated hands are required for this to be done effectively.

Therefore the way to train this in precisely is to start with a chip shot and drill it in to an “automatic’ response. Work up from this.

For more detail on the “How to”, please attend one of the Iseekgolf workshops that will be held at The Dunes in 2008.

Merry Christmas and a happy New year,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

To All looking for differences between the Croker Golf system and other methods and Systems of Instruction, here is a qualified critique from a TGM trained Tour Professional in Simon Owen. Simon won the Italian Senior Open this year – 2007 – and his golf game is improving with age – due to his use of the Croker Golf System.

From Simon Owen – European Senior Tour Member:

Best wishes,

Simon Owen

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Dear Styles,

Looks like with such movement in the left hand, you are going to have variation in clubhead and clubface control from time to time. The “short thumb” goes along with a more angled club grip across the left hand. This places the grip of the club more under the control of the fingers where more feel and clubhead speed can be realized.

Perhaps more detail can be gained here.

Nicky Rombaldi is in Ireland and can help you check this out. His email address is copied here. Nicky Rombaldi PGA [info@golfschool.ie]

Merry Christmas and a Great Golfing New Year,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Dear Tai,

Your question “How does one teach a kid with an attention span of a few minutes?” is a good one and the Workshop at The DUNES, Rye, Victoria on December 14 will attempt to answer this question with a simplicity -

I invite you to book your place now. There are a few places left and it would be great to have you check it out first hand.

There is nothing better than to have a “hands on” experience with a proven way to get not only juniors but all of us to make rapid improvement with simple and orderly basic steps.

I think you will find our school most rewarding.

Kind regards,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Dear Admin,

Here is an illustration of the CGS Grip with both hands in balance and connected.

Please click on image to see full picture.

I look forward to our Iseekgolf Workshop – One Day school at the Dunes Golf Links, Rye, on December 14 with Paul Smith, Paul Hart, and myself.
For all interested please book in through the Iseekgolf.com link on this Forum.

Kind regards,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Dear cjgolf,

I am attempting to copy an article including illustrations on the CGS preferred grip. Hope this clarifies the wording previously posted.

Kind regards,

Peter

Sorry but I will need help in uploading images of CGS preferred grip alignments and sequence of placement of hands. Iseekgolf guru please help me here

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Guys,

Why not post some pics of your recommended grip?

It would be so much clearer to see what you mean.

Dear cjgolf,

I appreciate that the level of certainty goes up many times when pictures are involved – Video is even better!

If you are looking for clear images of the assembling of a standard and orthodox golf grip that works from chip to pitch to full swing, the video downloads present the best way to communicate “how to do it.”

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

“What is the second part of the swing that a golfer should gain certainty about?”

The target line.

Let me Guess…

Correct Stance?

Dear Rob and Loren,

It seems there is still quite a bit more required to build certainty in the grip before moving on to the “stance” or “target line.”

Spike is right in that if a golfer misses one of the parts of the grip or has little idea as to what is to happen with the golf club shaft, clubhead, or clubface throughout the swing, there is no sense to move on to other connected parts.
There is only one sort of student that makes the grade to any true satisfaction, and that is not the “careless, “the naturally gifted”, but the “THOROUGH.”

Which one do you want to be?

If it is the latter why not attend our Iseekgolf Workshop at The Dunes, December 14 with Paul Smith, Paul hart, and myself. It will certainly be a step on “the Path to better Golf.”

Yours truly,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / swing comparison-tomasello-tgm

Thanks very much, Peter. I am enthusiastic about following Tom’s methods, but so far I am not improving on distance. Right now I’m working on uncocking earlier and earlier to see if that’s the problem. Looks promising but it’s a bit scary.

However, the right wrist never cocks. Tom says this multiple times. In his Letter #4 talking about Lee’s hands being too high and too close to his body he specifically says “Don’t cock the right wrist, otherwise you’ll be like John Daly and have a lot of trouble getting back onto plane.”

Therefore the right wrist cannot uncock on plane because it was never cocked in the first place.

The left wrist is uncocked by the straightening right elbow (magic of the right forearm, push), the right wrist stays bent back in its original on plane condition until follow through to both arms straight.

It’s semantics and doesn’t really matter.
I do get comments on smoothness of my swing and how straight the shots are. But I want it to go farther.

Dear Loren and All,

Tom says what he says and means it exactly that way.
The trouble with words on paper (or computer screen) is that they can be mis-duplicated and confusion sets in and then we all want to dub in our own answers.
Please place your two hands together as if taking a golf grip in front of you – left wrist bent, right wrist flat, both wrists level and in a vertical plane of action – as in “adjusted address position.

Next “push’ both thumbs down – observe what happens!

While both wrists will “uncock”, both wrists will maintain a vertical plane of action. However the left wrist will flatten and the right wrist will bend. This is what is happening in the release through the bottom of the swing when you maintain the “Pressure Point #1 PUSH” and helps give the feel that Sam Snead explained so well and previously posted here.
It just so happens that all “people shaped’ golfer can do this when wanting to “maintain the line of compression” through the ball. (The extra distance you are looking for might be found here.)
I hope this helps clarify Tom’s “uncock the right wrist”
instruction.

Kind regards,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / swing comparison-tomasello-tgm

In my opinion Tom misspoke on a Letters video when he said uncock the right wrist when he meant uncock the right elbow. That leads to the confusion. Substitute elbow for right wrist.
In another place he said uncock both wrists right into the ground. I suppose he meant in case there was any inadvertent cocking of the right wrist along with the left. A cocking of the right wrist will bend the left one.
Clearly in the Australia series he says “Do not cock the right wrist. What cocks the left wrist is the cocking of the right elbow.”

Dear Loren,

Tom meant “uncock the right wrist.” You see when you attempt to do this at the change of direction from backswing to downswing, providing you do so on the correct path down and out towards the ball, it is not possible to “uncock the right or left wrists too early and what follows is the correct sequence of release that everyone sees – hips, shoulders, right upper arm, right elbow staightening, and finally both right and left wrists uncocking deep into the impact zone.

It was the greatest pleasure for me to meet and know Tom Tomasello – he made understanding The Golfing Machine possible for me in so many ways.
He was my greatest teacher to date! (The Dart is not far behind)

Regards,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Spike71

Dear Spike,

Well articulated here as usual!

In regards perceptions it is alway good to have a base platform to inspire such. The geometry and physics of the golf swing can lead to better understandings and perception of what is needed and wanted to progress in this game of a lifetime.

Homer says it great when he says: “Learn feel from mechanics, not mechanics from feel” = higher perception of the clubhead and all else that moves and doesn’t move.

I have just released a new Online Golf Learning program and from the thoroughness of the basic of the grip it is amazing to see what has blocked so many from playing the game to their full potential.

The geometry, the Pressure Points, the sequence of placing the hands on the grip. all these small details that release the golfer to play golf by feel sooner than later.

The Reverend is “right on!

Keep Pushing,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

My thoughts?.........advice?.......

1, Grip the club in your fingers!
2. Gosh, your fingers have more feel, your palm does not!

Dear Bongo,

After reading your post and those following, I would like to add something that is true to the Croker Golf System when it comes to gripping the club to give feel, control and power without over stressing the wrists or arms in the process.
It is certainly best to see pictures or better still a close up film of placing the hands on the club a) in the correct sequence and b) with the best alignments to give you club head, club face, and club shaft control throughout the swing.

All this considered, with the club shaft pointing at the centre of gravity of the body – approximately 10 cm (3 inches) below the naval, the left hand is best placed with the wrist directly on top of the grip of the club. The left wrist will be in a vertical plane of action. To do this the left wrist needs to be bent and in a neutral/ level condition (not cocked or uncocked) The grip of the club is secure and wedged between the heel pad area of the palm of the left hand and the last three fingers. You could say it feels primarily a grip in the fingers of the left hand.
Now for the balancing act!

Holding the club with the clubshaft horizontal and grip end pointing at the centre of gravity of the body, approach with the right hand so that a) the middle two fingers and index finger touch directly under the grip with the middle two knuckle joints directly under the grip and touching the grip of the club.
b)The little finger of the right hand can 1) overlap the left resting in the hollow between the index and second finger, 2) interlock with the
index finger of the left hand, 3) rest separate but snug up against the index finger of the left hand.
c) Next wrap the middle two fingers and index finger of the right hand around the grip of the club as you d) drop the right palm life line area in and behind the left thumb. The right hand wrist is in a vertical plane of action while it remains flat and neutral / level.

When the two hands come together like this they form a feeling of a “no gaps, solid “two hands as one” grip.
You can feel the sensitivity of a “finger grip” while also having the right palm snug up against the left hand and back side of the grip of the club. – definitely a strong sense of being able to use the right hand palm for thrusting the club head down out and through the golf ball.
I hope you do not get lost in the words, but without pictures and / or video, words will have to do.
In summary I feel that both answers are good. The correct grip in the fingers and palm support will allow you to swing the club and hit the ball with the feel, control, and power that you need.

Kind regards,

Peter

PS: It is of great value to keep the grip pressure light and relaxed to allow the wrists to hinge freely. Through the correct pressure points in the hands, you can control power and accuracy.
PPS: Lots of words about a little and I still think many will not have complete certainty about what a correct grip should be and feel like. So much for simplicity by omission!
The crime of omission when it comes to golf technique detail is one that we as teachers are most guilty of!

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Coach / Instructor in Melbourne.

Dear Tom,

The Dunes is on Browns road, Rye and is in the Melways – down just past Rosebud.

Cost of a lesson with me is not $1,000,000 but you will get nearly that much value.

Please phone me on 0415292549 and we can discuss the details.

I look forward to helping you with your game,

Sincerely,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Coach / Instructor in Melbourne.

Dear Tom,

I am delivering TGM based lessons at The Dunes, Rye and if you want a simple and repeatable swing that hits it straight, I can oblige.

I can fit you in Wednesday through Sunday this week.

My phone number is 0415292549.

Regards,

Peter Croker

PS: * Our Range Ball are good quality too.

• The Dunes is a one hour drive from Waverley area. An easy drive from the Eastern Suburbs.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Road Map to Better Golf Workshops

idgolfguy shot the lights out again yesterday. Me thinks the dollar dropped not just a penny. Well done!

Another phone call just in…. 3 shot improvement from another participant. Let’s hope the ideas stick.

Dear Paul and Paul,

Great to see that the students had such a great day!

I certainly look forward to both of you coming to The Dunes, December 14.

I have the red carpet ready to roll out for all who join us there.

Have a great Workshop in NSW!

Kind regards,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Dear Paul, Spike, and All,

The understandings are in the detail, this is for certain! I don’t know about the devil?

Spike is correct when he mentions that the grip of the hands on the club needs to relate to the club, the ball’s target, and the golfer’s body and a golfer certainly needs at least an overview concept of what the game of golf is all about and what are the basic concepts of the golf swing that are required to hit the ball to the target.

I was guilty of fast tracking once KOC and others offered some feedback on the grip area of the mechanics of the golf swing.

There certainly is much more to golf than just the basic swing and a golfer needs an appreciation of it all if he or she is to gain most benefit from time spent trying to master it.

A persons perception of all elements involved will make their journey that much more rewarding.

We are all different and approach the game from many perspectives. However the mechanics are still required to be in and aligned to each other.

If my question is aimed at this area then it will at least reduce the complexity of the question as opposed to looking at the game in total.

Certainty in data is most important for understanding to happen and be workable.
The question is asked with the view of building workable swing mechanics.
The question again is:
“What is the first part of the swing that a golfer should gain certainty about?”

I hope that more people will now share their views on what we need to gain certainty with in building a golf swing that works well when needed. (That to most of us means every shot we play.)

Putting these basics in a sequence of learning can then be discussed in detail.

Thanks Paul, Paul, and Spike for helping open up the discussion further.

Kind regards,

Peter

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

Dear Peter,

My writing is not good, i mean golfers always have problem in forward tilting.

So, i use your words: ” Flatten out the small of lower back; tuck the bottom in; set up with pelvis tilted down” makes it very difficult to
turn your hips correctly.”

Dear KOC,

Painting correct pictures with words is a difficult assignment when it is in your own language. To do it in a foreign language is something else. —well done in your studies of TGM.

I have attempted to teach in German and I can appreciate what a challenge it is for those who have English as their second or third language.

The posture bends are very difficult to define exactly without pictures and today’s video downloads and DVDs.

If you needed to communicate the amount of posture bend and exactly where the bending is done, etc.it is best done when it is the right time to do so, and all preceding parts are in place.

Please let me know:
“What would come before the posture bend that a golfer should gain certainty about?”

I think if we use a sequence of learning steps, and make sure the sequence of steps are in place and each step is solidly in place before adding a next step, then Tai’s ideal of keeping golf simple to learn is possible.

Thanks,

Peter