Topic: Rules of Golf / Tee Markers

Although it is wise not to tee up exactly behind a tee marker as Cliff revealed in another thread ;)

you can’t tee up behind your own markers, that’s outside the tee box… however, you CAN hit the ladies marker…. ;-)

Cliff Manley

ahhh “consistency” the holy grail of golf….

See AAA’s post above re the definition of teeing ground: ......the front and sides of which are defined by the outside limits of the two tee markers…... So it is quite ok to tee up behind the tee marker as it would be within the teeing round (but give yourself plenty of room to clear it!).

Topic: Rules of Golf / Plugged ball lip of buker - Oz Masters

If it had been ruled to be in the bunker I assume he would have had to play it is it lie, or take an unplayable with a drop in the bunker?.

Dave

http://www.golflink.com.au/...

All of his unplayable options leave him in the bunker.

Topic: Rules of Golf / Plugged ball lip of buker - Oz Masters

HCWT – The bunker extends vertically downwards only (see Def).
Steb – The ball must first strike a part of the course TtG (25-2). But must be re-dropped if rolls into and comes to rest in a hazard (20-3c(i)).
Muntz – I also just saw the brief footage on the TV, in the close up, to me it looked like an old stacked turf wall (could be wrong – it was quick).

The issue is, is it an earthen wall, therefore part of the bunker and therefore no relief. OR is it a stacked turf face and therefore not part of the bunker and therefore relief for embedded ball TtG (Australasian hard card gives relief TtG for an embedded ball). – see the Def of “bunker”.
See Dec 13/4 quoted in SoulmanZ’s post, above.

Topic: Rules of Golf / Out of Bounds (again)

As the ball was OOB you must proceed under stroke and distance ie return to the tee (27-1).
As you played a ball OOB, the ball was no longer the ball in play, therefore you played a wrong ball (D. 15-6). In playing out the hole with a wrong ball, you would be disqualified unless you corrected the error before teeing off from the next tee or if the last hole, before leaving the green (15-3b) ie you must go back and play a ball in accordance with the rules..
In MP you lost the hole when you hit a wrong ball.

Topic: Rules of Golf / Casual Water

That is the beauty and the difficulty of a worldwide game played on differing topography in different climatic regions. But the definitions apply to planet Earth, Committees have a responsibility to mark the course, if they miss something I’m sure they’ve done their best. I wonder during these torrential downpours if the course is considered playable in any case?

Topic: Rules of Golf / 2 clublengths

Yes, I think he is ok. I cannot see anything to say different.

Look elsewhere for greater wisdom.;)

Topic: Rules of Golf / 2 clublengths

He hasn’t used a club to measure. His drop was within the distance of his putter.
If he had rolled into a good lie but it was only reachable using using two broomstick putters as a measure, how would you rule then?
There is no rule saying the player has to use the longest club in his bag to measure the dropping area, there is only a club specific matter when determining a NPoR. IMHO the player is locked into using his putter to measure the re-drop. (But in the given circ’s I would be comfortable being proven wrong).

Topic: Rules of Golf / Tempers Rising :-[

I heard tht they were only going to penalise for major infringement – branches , etc

That, in effect, is what the decision is about.

I would have thought that the effect of the Decision is a matter of degree and whether the area of intended swing has “in fact” been improved. To suggest that the effect of the decision relates to “major infringement – branches” is misleading, when the decision speaks of a leaf or leaves

D.13-2/22 Knocking Down Leaves with a Practice Swing.
Q. A player’s ball lies near a tree or bush. The player takes a practice swing near his ball and knocks down leaves in the area of his intended swing. Is this a breach of Rule 13-2?
A. The answer depends on whether the area of the intended swing is improved. In some cases, the knocking down of a number of leaves would not improve the area of the intended swing as the player still has to swing through a number of remaining leaves when making his stroke. In such circumstances, there would be no breach of the Rules. In other cases, the knocking down of one leaf might
improve the area of the intended swing, in which case there would be a breach of Rule 13-2. If a player has improved the area of his intended swing by knocking down a leaf or a number of leaves, he cannot avoid penalty under Rule 13-2 by subsequently changing the area of his swing when he actually makes the stroke.

The breach does not have to be “major” it just has to be enough to make the “improvement”.

Topic: Rules of Golf / Drop rules, GUR beside fairway bunker.

Through the green, determine NPoR and drop, without penalty, within 1 club length of that spot, ball not to be dropped in a hazard (eg bunker) or on a putting green (r.25-1b(i)). If that means fairway, so be it.

Topic: Rules of Golf / fringe ruling

I know you can’t repair it before your stroke, but is there anything to stop your opponent in matchplay, or another member of your group in strokeplay, from repairing it?

In my view it’s not fair that you are prevented from putting your ball from 3 inches off the green due to your own pitchmark one inch off the green, and if I’m allowed to help out a fellow player, then I would.

You are entitled to the lie and line that your shot gives you. So if your shot results in your ball causing a pitch (or ball) mark on your line off the green then that is what you have to deal with.
If your ball was lying off the green and then another players stroke results in a pitch mark impinging on your line off the green, or sand landing on or around your ball, then you would be able to restore the lie and line to what your shot gave you. (Dec.13-2/8 & 13-2/8.5
That’s as fair as it gets.

Topic: Rules of Golf / Wrong hole in one!!!

Ah yes, it’s not a double green upon reading no3putt’s post again.

If the greens were joined and the player holed out in the wrong hole, then relief is taken under the GUR provisions as the hole is a “hole made by a greenkeeper” and Rule 25-1 is applicable – see Decision 16/7.

See also Dec 25-3/1 for a possible variation where a joined green is separated by the Committee..

Topic: Rules of Golf / Wrong hole in one!!!

I am assuming that the greens are separate, not shared, if so wrong putting green proceed under 25-3.

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball moved of its own accord

There was a similar incident with a pro once, I just can’t recall who it was. He took a practice swing probably a foot away from the ball and quite a few seconds later when he wasn’t even looking, the ball moved. He was deemed to have moved it.

I suspect that this is the incident of which you speak, Cabrera at Wentworth.
Cabrera – Wentworth

Maybe harsh, but don’t mess with a ball in a precarious lie.

Topic: Rules of Golf / tournament win

Anyone in an open comp is fair game, regardless of their age. Letting people win is not in the spirit of the game, if it didn’t kill the young guy it made him stronger. Shame the father wasn’t on site, probably would have made the whole affair a lot more colourful, then again, maybe it was better for the winner (and everyone else) that he wasn’t.
I hope your mate is not considering wilting to the pressure to replay the match,

Topic: Rules of Golf / Miles

Not obligatory, but wise to measure.
For some guidance see the second para to the answer in Decision 24-2b/2.

(I’ve never seen anyone name a thread after themselves – very innovative;))

Topic: Rules of Golf / waiving rule

It is not quite right to say there can be no penalty for turning a blind eye to another players infringement, doesn’t matter if you are marking their card or not:

Decision 33-7/9
Competitor who knows Player has Breached Rules Does not Inform Player or Committee in a Timely Manner.

The responsibility for knowing the Rules lies with all players. In stroke play, the player and his marker have an explicit responsibility for the correctness of the player’s score card.

There may, however, be exceptional individual cases where, in order to protect the interests of every other player in the competition, it would be reasonable to expect a fellow-competitor or another competitor to bring to light a player’s breach of the Rules by notifying the player, his marker or the Committee.

In such exceptional circumstances, it would be appropriate for the Committee to impose a penalty of disqualification under Rule 33-7 on a fellow-competitor or another competitor if it becomes apparent that he has failed to advise the player, his marker or the Committee of a Rules breach with the clear intention of allowing that player to return an incorrect score. (New)

Topic: Rules of Golf / conceding hole in match play

Time to pull the pin guys.
B I agree, but give it up, manners have nothing to do with breeding, its upbringing and environment. it’s got nothing to do with the rules of golf.
Cliff, with respect, your comments could be easily misread.
I won’t comment further.

Topic: Rules of Golf / Buggy rolling into a bunker??

No penalty for deliberately placing your clubs in a hazard either (13-4 Ex.1b).

Topic: Rules of Golf / Match Play - Stepping opponents ball

If you stepped on your opponent’s ball, other than during a search for it, the penalty is one stroke and the ball must be replaced (r.18-3). If the lie is altered then the opponent must place the ball in the nearest lie most similar to the original lie, or in a bunker the lie must be re-created.(R20-3b)

Topic: Rules of Golf / Match play

Jon,
I wouldn’t be feeling “embarrassed” about applying a RoG when you believe you have a valid claim. I would have been inclined to make a comment after teeing off from the next hole after the first breach, and then ensure that the opponent was aware that both you and your partner were obviously watching his every move after that point .
If the opponent was to continue with the errant behaviour, then make a claim right there and then, get the Committee involved, if there a two witnesses (you and your partner), he can lie as much as he wants. If the Committee is out on the course (happens at my place but I know not everywhere) then they would be sure to watch for a few holes.
And just how pathetic is this guy anyway, if he can’t find a leaf, or blade of grass, or blemish to line up his club anyway?

Topic: Rules of Golf / moving rake in bunker

Start a new thread.

Topic: Rules of Golf / Water Hazard

Your options are dictated by the LR in place for the hole. I have never played the course but from the website I note that the hole is almost all water carry. I also note the presence of a yellow stake in the photo of the hole, making the hazard a water hazard (unless there are some red stakes further on out of picture). I can only guess that the LR may have been struck due to difficulties in taking a drop not nearer the hole, or taking WH relief, it is open for the Committee to instigate a drop zone as an additional option for water hazard relief.
If unsure of your ground and it was a stroke event, it was open to you to play a second ball under 3-3, and take the matter up with the Committee for a definitive ruling at the end of the round.

GHG 9th

Topic: Rules of Golf / Artificial Device

If it is there for the purpose of gauging or measuring distance or conditions that might affect the play of the player, then IMO, it would be a breach.

A “lucky charm”? You don’t see to many dream catchers out on the course.;)

Topic: Rules of Golf / Fellow competitor identifies ball

It is a bad practice and should not happen, BUT, in stroke play there is no penalty – R.18-4.

Topic: Rules of Golf / Concession of stroke - match play

Dec. 2-4/6 Putting Out After Concession of Stroke.
Rule 2-4 does not cover the question of whether a player may putt out after his next stroke has been conceded. A player incurs no penalty for holing out in such circumstances. However, if the act would be of assistance to a partner in a four-ball or best-ball match, the partner is, in equity (Rule 1-4), disqualified for the hole.

That sums it all up.