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Go the Moe.

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Thanks, I was getting a head ache trying to follow, any relation to the following:
1. Moe Normans ( sort of ) pre set backswing position or,
2. Ledbeater ( however you spell it ) and his pre set backswing position, which has club set with hands around hip height ??
Thanks,
Baz

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Yep. From Impact Fix address, ie what you look like when you make contact with the ball, pre-turn the right hip, then make your arms and shoulder backswing.

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Er, I’m now totally confused, is this it,
1. Take stance
2. Turn hips to where they would be at end backswing
3. Commence backswing
??

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BtoG: your last bit there is how a coach should look at his relationship with his player. If the player has been taught from canoe to battleship and something comes adrift, the player and coach know where to throttle back to to find the misdirection of forces at hand and be able to make adjustments based on the original teaching without having to reinvent something.

Feel is fickle unless you have a grasp of the mechanics that cause the feels and their close cousins “the misdirected mechanics.”

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You know golf is a strange pastime! A week ago I thought this preturned hip was just great, as I posted ealier, but following another game today the uniquiness of the feel has diminished!!??

The move still allowed me to feel more loaded at the top of the backswing but my ball striking was off today so I must look for another remedy to regain the fickle sense of feel that often aludes me!

The game almost feels like one needs a coach too look at one swing on a weekly or more frequent basis to sort out the issues that arise seemingly from nowhere.

I guess another issue is to find a coach who will take a long term view of a players swing and not just take a lesson at a time approach.
i.e. “what have we got today approach”
as opposed to how did we get to this stage and where do we think we are going.

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Thanks Bio for making me aware of the full shoulder turn issue. At the range today I made a concious effort to monitor it, and was still getting full shoulder rotation. I will keep an eye on it, and hopefully it won’t become a problem.

The “finster drill”.....I love it! Wish I had thought of it, but of course the pre-turned hip comes from Homer himself. The man certainly was a genius.

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Finster,
If it’s working for you stick with it, if you aware of what I mentioned, you can monitor this and prevent from happen.
What ever works for you, stick with it., is a good drill to practice,
I forgot all about pre-hip till you mentioned this thanks.
Finster is ok to call this the finster drill ?

Jeff depends to which your reffering hitting or swinging, hitting hips on reach around 30 degrees, swinging up to 40 degrees,

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Finster869

So, if a golfer usually turns his right hip 50 degrees, then you are recommending that he adopt that 50 degree pelvic turn at address. Are you also recommending that he pre-tilt the right pelvis so that the right pelvis is slightly higher than the left pelvis? Do you think that there are disadvantages to this practice pattern?

Jeff.

It is a pre turn only as Finster wrote. There is no change from the hips normal levels. It is a substitution for doing it during the back swing only.

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Jeff-

I am not recommending that anyone do anything. You asked what do I mean by pre-turned hip, and I tried to explain it the best I could. As noted earlier, Homer thought it could be beneficial to both hitters and swingers, which gave me enough incentive to at least experiment with it. I like it so far.

I am not sure if there are disadvantages. Bio posted earlier that he was concerned that it could lead to not rotating the shoulders enough. Personally, I “feel” as though it has given me two less moving parts going to the top (hips and knees), and that my machine has a much more stable base. Again, that is just me. As Dart noted earlier, it is a “reliable shortcut”. Perhaps I will go back to a regular setup at a later date, but for now I like the results.

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Finster869

So, if a golfer usually turns his right hip 50 degrees, then you are recommending that he adopt that 50 degree pelvic turn at address. Are you also recommending that he pre-tilt the right pelvis so that the right pelvis is slightly higher than the left pelvis? Do you think that there are disadvantages to this practice pattern?

Jeff.

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Finster 869

Could you please define a pre-turned hip in precise terms so that we can determine if we all agree what a pre-turned hip really means?

Jeff.

Jeff-

Basically, “by pre-turning the hips”, I mean pre-setting the hips and lower body to the position they normally would be at the top of the swing. So, at address, pre-turn the right hip and permit the legs to follow the first part of the pivot, but making sure to keep the shoulders parallel to the target line. You then keep the lower body in that position when performing the right forearm takeaway and going to the top.

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Finster 869

Could you please define a pre-turned hip in precise terms so that we can determine if we all agree what a pre-turned hip really means?

Jeff.

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Finster,

I didn’t talk to Homer but I think you guys have the good stuff from the idea.

What you learn from pre- turn can be carried to standard quite easily. Like he says it is a reliable short cut.

Thanks, Dart. I’ll continue to play with it and see how it goes.
Regarding use of the pre-set hip for swinging versus hitting, my friend, who is a GSEB, recently spoke with Joe Daniels and was told that Homer thought the pre-turned right hip could be quite useful for both swingers and hitters.

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For the TGM teachers out there, what are your thoughts on a pre-turned right hip at start-up. I read that Homer thought that a “pre-turned” right hip would be the new modern day swing.

I have been playing around with it, and although it looks a little funny at address since we aren’t used to seeing people start that way, I have to admit I like the results. There are two less moving parts (since pre-setting the hip also presets the left knee). It also seems to help keep the machine steady without any bobbing issues, since your left knee is already positioned.

I’d especially like to know Dart and Guru’s thoughts on it, and whether Dart ever spoke to Homer about it.

Finster,

I didn’t talk to Homer but I think you guys have the good stuff from the idea.

What you learn from pre- turn can be carried to standard quite easily. Like he says it is a reliable short cut.

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I am really enjoying this thread!
In mucking around with my setup over the last month, I have found I had and open left hip (that video camera again). Squaring it had an effect but preturning it has allowed a much more fluent backswing to the extent that I feel I have turned my back on the target. I feel much more loaded on the backswing!
I guess I must be a hitter having read and listened to the Chuck Evans stuff.
Gary

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Thanks Guru, that one explains it a little better again. Off down the range this arvo me thinks! 8)

Brett

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Pre Turned Hip

Hitting and Swinging with the pre turned hip. This is an old one of Chucks so prob says the same thing.

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Brilliant, thanks Finster!

Brett

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Here is a short little video where Chuck Evans demonstrates it:

http://www.medicusgolfinstitute.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1588

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Are there any diagrams/pictures of this “pre turned hip” setup floating around? It does sound interesting but I’m not sure I have the right mental picture.

Cheers
Brett

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Pre turned right hips are mainly for hitters allowing them their straight line angle of approach vs swingers arc of approach to the ball from the top.

Can a swinger user it? Yes if they really suffer from OTT it can help get more of an inside out swing feel. Once they get that feel they can dispense with the preset.

Hitters backswings can look more like a lawn mower cord motion with the elbow and forearm less vertical to the spine. The Pre Turn allows them to clear the right hip mechanically easier.

You can check out Kenny Perry.

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Is there anyone on tour that does this?

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Cliff-

I meant the left knee (lead knee). By pre-turning the hip, I mean having the lower body essentially pre-set at address in the position where it would be after pivoting to get to the top of the swing.

Bio- Pre-setting is definitely more often used in hitting from what I can tell, but I am told Homer said it could be applied equally to swingers. Looking forward to see if Dart can add any insight.

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Finster,
I use to use prehip, and I was a hitter