Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

Actually that’s true
it has its plus and minuses

the thing i love about this forum is that it feels different from the others..becos folks here seems to be more down to earth i think (mayb wrong)...
and being down to earth means more ‘forgiving’ too (for going out of point…) :))

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

I have avergae irons (wilson Pi5)_ but they actaully look classy irons and driver

I carry my clubs also…seems like when you carry your clubs they think you can play.

I only play in the odd comp these days (usually fundraising events or corporate days as they are fun and for a good cause)

Odysee or ping putter looks good also….oakley or nike sunnies with visor…visor is the “in” look at the minute

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

Can Also relate to that- Titleist Driver and 3 wood- Taylormade Irons. Shirts sorta change :p Though dont cop much at all at my club. I spose for my age I can play a bit tho

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

tdoddsy, you muzino ho! it’s good to see other hackers using all one branded gear. i got the impression from this site that looking like you got sponsored by a brand was a sin.

bunny, thats great to hear! i might go test out the mx-900’s again. who knows i might learn to like them.

Golf is a good walk ruined!

yeah i cop a bit of stick from the members. cause i have all mizuno gear and all my clothing/shoes is adidas. i certainly look the part. shame i don’t play the part. i usually draw an audience on the 1st tee because of the way i look. people think i must be sponsored. i wish. they don’t sponsor people with a 13 handicap. lol

I can relate to that..I play off 11 and have abeaut TM bag with nice shiny Titleist shirt and ADIDAS 360 shoes

so long as you bang one down the first..they all go ooohh and you sort of just casually pop the head cover back on and say ” not bad considering I didnt try and hit it that hard” !!....they suddenly think youre a gun and th next Big thing….duff it into the right rough after swinging so hard the vein appears near your temple and they think rich kid with nothing better to do than show off flashy gear…amazing how people judge everything on one shot!!

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

tdoddsy, you muzino ho! it’s good to see other hackers using all one branded gear. i got the impression from this site that looking like you got sponsored by a brand was a sin.

bunny, thats great to hear! i might go test out the mx-900’s again. who knows i might learn to like them.

Golf is a good walk ruined!

yeah i cop a bit of stick from the members. cause i have all mizuno gear and all my clothing/shoes is adidas. i certainly look the part. shame i don’t play the part. i usually draw an audience on the 1st tee because of the way i look. people think i must be sponsored. i wish. they don’t sponsor people with a 13 handicap. lol

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

Mizuno, they have quality irons and always have.

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

I went to the range with my set of Mizuno MX-900’s last night, and having never hit with a forged club, all I can say is WOW.

Off the grass area I teed up a ball with a 3-iron and gave it a go. The trajectory was incredible. The club made this ‘click’ noise as the ball took off, it hit the ground just past the 175m marker, and rolled to about 190-200. It was the easiest, longest, straightest 3-iron I think I’ve ever hit. I had my girlfriend with me and she said I had a stupid grin on my face like a 5-year old.

The lie angles were a bit off so I took them in to get adjusted this morning, and I’ll be playing with them for hopefully a full round tomorrow. Impressions thus far are excellent, 10/10.

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

I have played Mizuno irons for a while and was reluctant to try the woods. But after having a test of the MP-600 driver I now have an all Mizuno bag. :) Fli Hi CLK hybrid 17* F60 3 wood and my favourite the MP600 driver.

yes Mizuno have not been known to have great woods. the MX-500 was a good driver for the high handicapper but it didn’t give great performance. Thats why Luke Donald still preferred his Titleist driver but he helped design the MP-600 and is now using it along with alot of other players (eg Daniel Vansik)

This is my set

Driver – Mizuno MP-600 10.5 Deg Aldilda NV 65
Fairway Wood – Mizuno F-60 15 Deg Aldilda NV 65
Irons – Mizuno MP-57 3-PW Dynamic Gold
Wedges – Mizuno MP-R 52/07,56/13, 60/05 Dynamic Gold
Putter – Yes! Callie

My whole set is Mizuno but my putter. I love the driver, irons and wedges but i’m not the biggest fan of the 3 wood. Hit it well of the tee but not so great of the deck. that could be my technique but i never had any problems with my old 3 wood.

I’ve never hit one of the hybrids but i have heard that they are pretty good. I would definetely say that the MP-600 driver should put Mizuno on the map with drivers and show the world Mizuno can make more than quality irons.

Seven i too like to have all the same brand. I have Mizuno Staff bag, umbrella, gloves, ball marker and hat as well. lol.

Do Mizuno make the best drivers/woods?
no, not yet. Ping probably hold this title in my opinion but Mizuno have closed the gap with the release of the MP-600 and F-60

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

Antz, thats one very nice bag you have there! I’ll probably end up with a full set of mizunos. i prefer my clubs to be all one brand. Is the MP series designed for better players?

Golf is a good walk ruined!

yes MP series is for better players.

MX series is for game improvement

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

Put Nippon shafts in them, a perfect match. Quality forge and light quality shaft. Good for me and will be good for you

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

I think Mizunos are a tad heavy, and not as nice to hit. But my Mizuno experience is very limited conpared to my Titleist hitting experience.

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

I have played Mizuno irons for a while and was reluctant to try the woods. But after having a test of the MP-600 driver I now have an all Mizuno bag. :) Fli Hi CLK hybrid 17* F60 3 wood and my favourite the MP600 driver.

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I’m off to try my 900’s at the range now, I think they need flatter lie angles, but besides that I’m positive about their performance. I’ll post up on here in a while.

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tdoddsy, much obliged
very informative stuff

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Cheers for that doddsy :)

Having recently come across a set of brand new MX-900’s, it gives me warm fuzzies to read about how well made my new clubheads are. I’ve been busy the last few days, and am yet to even swing the things, I can’t wait.

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

Just wondering WHY Mizuno makes such good Irons

do they put all their money in to R&D of this stuff vs other brands ?
probably so
or they have more intuitive clubmakers

If Tiger plays Lefty will he be that good ?
You sure Square is Good ? Don’t Think So !
Good Golf is Fun plus the Great Outdoors…
In the Bag: Clubs and Balls. My Handicap is Bad Golf.

thats a good question with a very technical answer. here is some information from their website. It’s a long read but its interesting if you are keen to know about this kind of stuff.

What are the fundamental differences between a forged iron and a cast iron?

You can think of casting like making ice in your freezer – you are turning a liquid into a solid by using a mould. Cast irons tend to be made from a stainless steel alloy; the steel goes into a furnace, melts, and is then poured into a ceramic mould. When everything has cooled down the mould is broken, leaving the club inside. With forging, the club is fashioned from one piece of metal. At Mizuno we make irons out of bars of mild carbon steel; the bars are 10in long and about one inch in diameter. The metal is heated until it is red hot, then hammered and crafted into shape.

Why does Mizuno choose to forge its premium irons, such as the MP-67 and MX-25?

The forging process produces greater consistency and quality in the metal. Casting may be a more economical way to produce clubs – a cast head costs about half as much to produce as a forged head. But the downside of casting is that when the metal is poured into the mould, it always traps tiny bubbles inside the metal structure. We can go back to the freezer; no matter how carefully you pour the water, there are always bubbles in the ice. These bubbles make the face inconsistent; two shots from almost the same place can produce very different results. If any big bubbles are trapped, this can be the origin a crack or breakage.

Can the average golfer feel those inconsistencies in a cast head?

Perhaps not if that’s the only club you are hitting – but if you hit one and then hit one of our forged heads, which do not have any trapped bubbles, you will instantly tell it feels more solid and sweet. For the better player it is certainly obvious. We once tried to fool our in-house pro by giving him two identical-looking clubs to try. We told him both were made from forged carbon steel, but in fact one was cast stainless. The instant he hit it he turned to us and said: “What is that? It feels dead.”

Why does a forged head sound so different to a cast head?

Because the air bubbles produced in the casting process affect sound vibration. You can think of it this way: fill two wine glasses with water, one with fizzy carbonated and the other with still. Then flick or tap the glass with a pen, or something. The sound is totally different. The fizzy water glass gives a dead ‘pip’ while the still water creates a longer ‘di-i-i-ng’. The bubbles absorb the sound. And so it is with golf clubs. Cast heads dampen the sound quickly because there is air inside the metal. That’s why they sound and feel dead. Our mild carbon steel forged heads, with no bubbles, produce a longer sound duration which gives more feedback.

Some of the world’s most popular wedges, including Titleist Vokey and Cleveland, are cast. What do you believe are the performance benefits of Mizuno’s forged wedges?

Of course for short shots you need feel and distance control – and our forging process enhances both. The mild carbon steel we use for forging is a softer metal, giving the golfer extra touch; the increased vibration we have just talked about, created by the more solid head, is again going to give the golfer more feel, which gives him greater information and feedback on the shot. But also the purity and integrity of the metal produced by forging allows the player to strike the ball consistent distances, which boosts confidence.

Are there any other problems with casting?

With casting it is not easy to make a perfect, flat clubface. Again, we can compare it to ice. Look at the top of an ice cube and the top will be concave. When you make solids from liquids there is always shrinkage. It’s the same thing with irons; when the metal cools down there is a deformation or warping of the product, which affects the flatness of the face.

Why does that happen?

Because the golf clubhead is of uneven thickness. The sole is thicker, the top edge thinner. This causes different parts of the club to cool at different rates – the sole cools down slowly, while the top edge cools down quickly. There will be a stage when the top of the club is basically solid, while the bottom is still softer. It creates a pulling or a stress inside of the club, which promotes the warping.

Why do cast clubs tend to be made from stainless steel while forged clubs are made from mild carbon steel?

Mild carbon steel could be used for casting, but when it is melted its viscosity is high; it doesn’t flow into the mould as well, and so does not fill up the detailed part of the mould as efficiently. Molten stainless steel is more liquid, so you can avoid bumps or not filling a recess. But also 17-4 stainless steel, the famous one, is very strong, twice as strong as mild carbon steel that is used for forged heads. The strength is good for design flexibility – you can make thinner walls in cavity backs for example – but its hardness means it cannot be forged so well; the material cracks or breaks when it is hammered.

You use 1025 mild carbon steel in your irons and wedges. Why?

Because it gives the perfect blend of hardness and feel. The ‘1025’ means there is 0.25% carbon in the steel. The carbon content affects the hardness of the metal. If you go to more than 1% it gets hard, but also brittle; if you go lower than 0.1% the metal is too soft; it could deform while you play. We wanted a substance that was resilient but had feel, and which was ductile enough to stand loft and lie adjustment. And the 1025 steel was perfect.

Now you have found a new material, 1025E Pure Select mild carbon steel. What is the difference?

1025E Pure Select is a purer metal which will give even greater consistency. We believed the original 1025 steel was a wonderful metal for a golf club, but our quest for perfection led us to look for ways to improve it by reducing unnecessary elements that occur during forging – specifically phosphorous and sulphur. On rare occasions, these can slightly affect hardness in the face. Now we’ve found a way to do that. The new metal is also better at minimising so-called craftsman’s marks that can be caused by bending the hosel for loft and lie alterations.

‘Grain flow’ is a Mizuno patent and trade mark™ What does it mean, and what are its benefits?

I mentioned that our irons are forged out of metal rods, or bars. These have a natural flow of the fibre, a grain. This grain acts as a strengthener/reinforcer, improving the block’s integrity, consistency and durability. Think of it like concrete, reinforced by steel rods inside; the grain acts like the steel rods. Mizuno is the only company to arrange and control this flow to pass on a performance benefit to the golfer. We do our best to maintain this flow into the finished head. It makes the club stronger and more consistent. We achieve it by taking the bar and stretching about half of it into a narrower diameter. This end eventually becomes the hosel. But because it is a squeezing, stretching action, we maintain the flow of the grain that is trapped inside the bar. After this we put the half with the squeezed metal into the primary forging mould and then we forge it, so this hosel portion becomes the hosel and other part becomes the face – and we have minimal waste. Other companies don’t do this – they do not care about the metal’s grain. Rather than stretch the rod they pound it, hammer it. It creates lots of flash – unnecessary parts – which must then be taken out. That’s usually done by milling and grinding. The whole process cuts through the natural flow of the fibre, which makes their irons weaker and less consistent.

The Grain Flow Forging process gives your irons a one-piece construction. What are the benefits of that compared to other, welded-neck clubs?

It combines material consistency and strength with a very satisfying solid feel. Our competitors haven’t the same experience in the forging of golf equipment. They’ve been forced to supply forged equipment as their tour players in particular will rarely accept a cast head. The forging houses they’ve used have tended to resort to forging their irons from two separate parts – a steel face welded to a steel hosel. Since our competitors re-introduced forged irons we started buying clubs to cut apart and check. We’ll usually find the face and hosel have been welded the together. This weld breaks the flow lines of the metal and creates an inconsistency in structure from iron to iron. Although forged they cannot compete with Mizuno’s Grain Flow Forgings on feel and consistency.

Finally, how has Mizuno reached the forefront of forging technology?

For one thing our clubs are forged in the Chuo forging house – an exceptional forgery that Mizuno has worked with exclusively for 38 years. But also we are always trying to improve: our new 1025E Pure Select steel reflects this. Today we believe we are the champions in the forging industry, but even now we put lots of resource – plenty engineers and lots of hours – to improve our process. That’s our general direction. We believe that in the field of business, quality is the key thing. And we do not want our competitors to catch up with us.

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

Just wondering WHY Mizuno makes such good Irons ??

do they put all their money in to R&D of this stuff vs other brands ?
probably so
or they have more intuitive clubmakers ??

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

Mizuno’s are great, a few mates have them and rate them very highly.

titleist used to make really good irons but it seems as if they have put more effort into their wedges and balls then in their irons.

i guess thats smart business as people go through golf balls and wedges more regularly than irons.

there are alot of people on the site that rate srixon and too a lesser extent miura as better forged irons but i still can’t go past the mizzys. personal preference.

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

Mizuno’s are great, a few mates have them and rate them very highly.

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

I know you’re interested in the MX25 irons, but as far as the Mizuno brand itself goes, I’ve just bought a set of #950’s, replacing my 3yr old Big Bertha set, and I’m very pleased with the purchase.

I was also surprised to find that each club gives me a little more distance than previously.
Not overly important I guess, but the back of the #950 club head is really easy to clean. Just simply wipe…no more probing into recessed cavities to remove sand and grit etc. (I don’t know what the #25 is like in this regard).

yeah i’m with atbow. i would recommend the 950’s.

i have the mp-57’s and love them (you can’t beat the feel of a mizuno club) but i would recommend the 950’s with your ball striking/consistency rating

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

I know you’re interested in the MX25 irons, but as far as the Mizuno brand itself goes, I’ve just bought a set of #950’s, replacing my 3yr old Big Bertha set, and I’m very pleased with the purchase.

I was also surprised to find that each club gives me a little more distance than previously.
Not overly important I guess, but the back of the #950 club head is really easy to clean. Just simply wipe…no more probing into recessed cavities to remove sand and grit etc. (I don’t know what the #25 is like in this regard).

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

I think (correct me If I’m wrong) I think the mizuno mx 25’s would be more forgiving

I have seen the 775 they look nice but prewtty small head

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BTW, did you buy one of the sets yet? Let us know what you think? I might be replacing my X-16 Pro Series soon….....perhaps with some Mizunos, just haven’t done enough research.

Topic: Titleist 775cb or Mizuno MX-25?

Mizuno is a good feeling club. If I had the money, I would select the Mizunos.

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go the mizuno, there is nothing like the pure feel of mizuno irons.