Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Toolish - Journey to scratch (I hope!)

Toolish you got recent video?

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Clear Keys...ammended

Mick…........are you kidding me?

I honestly don’t care if it is Christmas- you are plain full of BS. :)

You know this.

As for this line…..give me a break:

“Now be quiet child, the adults are talking.”

I don’t think anyone STILL really even knows what you want to get across and what ideas you (may) have.

Carey has nothing to prove. As for you…..no one even knows who you are. And much more importantly:

You honestly have no idea what you are saying.

Very seriously.

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Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays (whatever your “bag” is, baby) to the rest of you.

Now if you don’t mind, I think I’m gonna go out onto the street and punch right in the nose anyone who looks at me “wrong” . (only lightheartedly though)

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Clear Keys...ammended

He is drunk.

Eggnog. (mmmm nog)

Rum.

Nutmeg.

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Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Maximum Trigger Delay

PING MAN:
http://homepage.mac.com/bri...

From thread:
http://www.brianmanzella.co...;highlight=ping

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Free wrist hinge….....no extra force against the shaft (obviously)............hence- pure swinger.

Hmmmm…...

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / The Journey to Scatch

Of course it’s possible.

Lots of effort and good information and you are ahead of the game.

Topic: Golf Talk / Sabbatini snubs winning Tiger at Target

Without knowing Sabbatini’s reason, I think it’s unreasonable to conclude that he’s “snubbed” the tournament and Tiger. So yes – for now it’s hype.

I agree that it would be a despicable act for a professional to just “drop out” of an event without giving reason, but I also think it’s fair to give people the benefit of the doubt until sufficient information is revealed before calling them rude or suggesting they snubbed the event.

I mostly agree.

What did he w/d from? Shin splints? It does sound a little fishy.

But without knowing more than we get from the media…..all we really have, if anything, is suspicion.

I ain’t gonna draw conclusions from that. At least not strong ones.

To me- HYPE.

Same deal with more of this Rory vs. the world stuff.

You have to realize that 1. the media likes to sensationalize so they have more interesting media to present to the public…and 2. Tiger, justified or not, very well could deliberately use this as an oppourtunity to put some heat on Rory.

And I don’t mean to be a “conspiracy theorist” or w/e label you want to slap on but hey- I think it’s a pretty strong possibility.

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And I’ve been defending Sabbatini a lot lately when the topic comes up…......but in all fairness I thought the same thing when Tiger w/d last year for being too tired.

HYPE.

I understand that you need to be respectful and the fans deserve a show and etc. etc. etc….

But like it or not it’s the player’s life and choice in the end. And that goes for anyone.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Fun Photo

Hehe…..what if you catch one IN the ba….........

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Carey- Question On Styles And "Coming Down The Stretch"

BUMP (per-se) for Carey.

(in case he saw not this thread, per-se)

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Fun Photo

SHANK

=bonk= (off wall)

SMASSSSHHHHHHHH. (window)

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lol…

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Clear Keys

Hey one more thing that’s probably relevant is that Tiger meditates. Or so I heard anyhow.

I can see how it would be somthing you’d want to do with golf.

We did a bit of it in school once…..............

I’m no Yogi Master but it seems to make for very low tension, anxiety, and agitation. If you go with it and really get your Yogi on (my term) it gives you a pretty cool feeling.

Every muscle goes completely free of tension….”clear(er?)” mind per-se (conscious anyhow)....and you just feel really relaxed and heavy….but not in a bad way. (just super relaxed and agitation-free)

Sounds good to me.

Topic: Golf Talk / Tiger Woods is bad for Golf

Fair call on the comment on competition, I know for sure that I would like to see more competition in this Summer’s cricket, and I’m glad to see that Federer has shown he is not unbeatable in the last couple of months.

But just to provide a similar example from another sport, probably about 10 years ago there was a snowboarder from Norway called Terje Haakonsen, and he shared a reputation like Tiger’s. He won almost any event he attended, and made the others look like amateurs. While it was still a burgeoning sport at the time, his dominance didn’t affect attendance or viewing numbers.

What I and a lot of others watched him for was him stretching the limits, achieving goals no-one had ever reached before. It’s the competition’s fault they were nowhere near him. It didn’t make him any less of a pleasure to watch.

I never miss a chance to have sex or appear on television – Gore Vidal

You have a point. I can for sure see it if you have become a fan.

I have found it a little ho-hum to watch at times.

Oh well.

Topic: Golf Talk / Tiger Woods is bad for Golf

Yes, birdie man, I agree, some real competition would be great. Remember this year’s British? Enthralling golf.

No coincidence that Tiger was out of contention perhaps.

Hey I would love to see him in contention. He adds a certain excitement to any tournament because you know he’s in the field. It increases the stakes (per se) and why wouldn’t you want to see the top dogs there in any sport?

But what can I say. I just would love to see some more competition.

What was better? Watching Bob May and him go back and fourth….....or watching him hitting 2 irons off the tee, going for the middle of greens, and cruising in to victory while the announcers try to find new ways to slather it on.

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Topic: Golf Talk / Tiger Woods is bad for Golf

I dunno. A bit of reality therapy isn’t bad instead of people talking themselves up. Look at Choco before the GF this year, trying to get into Geelong’s heads, and had his own handed back to him on a platter… not a good look.

Same story with Ames and Rory.

Hey man….once again- I know what the result was.

And that’s a valid point and part of the whole story.

But shoot….all I am saying is that you can’t really blame a guy for trying. And to me it wasn’t even a “shot” at Tiger like people say. He was just calling it as he saw it.

Win or no win this was only one go. I say he should keep trying…..keep tilting his chin up. This is competing. You just work your way in. Keep putting some heat on.

Compete for that mental advantage instead of just letting Tiger have it.

And actually….........hell….....never mind letting him have it- to me, some guys GIVE it freely to him.

There are plenty of people who want to knock off Tiger, good on ‘em. And it will probably happen in the next few years as his life starts to become more “balanced”. But most of the would-be challengers are sensible enough to avoid saying stupid things in the process.

Saying Tiger is “more beatable than ever” is a bit ironic considering how dominant he was this year. Skipped the opening FedEx and still waltzed home.

Hey man….....of course there’s guys who want to knock him off. Els came right out and said it. “I want to be #1.”

Good for him.

I mean…...........no one is going to say it’s gonna be easy….........but I say how can you knock a guy for trying? (and for believing)

BTW, once again- “More beatable than ever” was TRUE at the time of the comment.

Stinks for Rory that he didn’t pull out a win…..but I still think it’s kind of lame to shove his comments back in his face. They weren’t distasteful or any of this nonsense. He should just keep trying, one way or another and to me that’s more or less it. “Go get him next time.”

And I should also say that I realize that there is more than one way to go about competing….............

But again, I just feel like the media blew it out of proportion (which they did).....I also feel like I have to give the guy “props.”

And…........whether you want to be as open and direct as Sabbatini….......keep your dang chin up. Shoot for the top. Why not?

By all means be courteous when you should….but at the same time you don’t want to give up much to your opponent. You want to compliment Tiger? OK- fine. He probably earned it. But for every compliment he earns….to me, you gotta balance some of that with a bit of “BUT I still want to beat him and I’m gonna keep improving and keep coming at him.” (at least display this attitude, I mean)

It’s gonna be tough against a the #1. But what more can you do? Keep trying. Get back up and carry right on.

None of this “Oh well that was a spectacular shot. He’s the best….he’s just the best. I am gonna go get an autograph now.”

Topic: Golf Talk / Tiger Woods is bad for Golf

And to the person that doesn’t feel lucky to be witness to one of the world’s most dominant sportsmen at the peak of their career, I guess I just feel sorry for ya.

Pffff. Gimme a break. Sorry for me? I enjoy watching golf every bit as much as the next guy. I really am sorry if I am not the biggest Tiger Woods fan in the world.

Know what I would REALLY feel lucky to see? I would LOVE to see some guys REALLY getting into the fray with him. You know- some REAL competition. With people REALLY competing against the best player in the world…...............and where you ACTUALLY want to watch the last nine holes because you don’t know what’s going to happen.

I would feel lucky to see THAT.

“O well look….........Tiger wins the FedEx Cup…......................wow…...........what’s that?.........oh ya?..............so that was the first one ever eh?..................oh wow that’s pretty darn neat….......sooooooooo….............what do we do now while the rest of the guys play for 2nd place?”

Is this what you’re talking about? I just don’t really get it. I suppose if you are a fan it is totally different. I still don’t see how it can be that enthralling for you though.

And BTW….to be honest, maybe I “feel sorry” (feel sorry?...I dunno…) for all y’all who don’t seem to know what competition really IS.

I would give a limb to have seen Ali defeat Foreman

Hey I hear ya…..............u know what though….........I never saw that fight….........but I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that Foreman gave Ali HELL of a FIGHT?

(I could be totally wrong)

(but if so you know what my point is anyway…and what I will say next)

Topic: Golf Talk / Tiger Woods is bad for Golf

I know what happened. (same deal with Ames)

But I really don’t care that much.

I should probably be more clear with my writing though:

All I am really saying is that you rarely hear anyone speak up and say that maybe it was a GOOD thing (in itself) that Rory actually spoke up and showed some belief in himself.

But no…..people made a big deal about it….....they called it “a shot at Tiger.” (pfffff) Etc.

I just thought it was very refreshing.

As for “credible evidence” (as you say).............I will give you some ideas:

First….take the statement: “More beatable than ever.”

Examine. (HINT- ”...than ever.”)

Now…..please tell me how he was lying or misleading.

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And OK…..so maybe he didn’t back it up. But he should keep trying that’s for darn sure. Why would you just lay down?

F(orget) that. COMPETE.

I’m just gonna say that, to me, if nothing else, and at the very least- I thought it was a step in the right direction and very refreshing.

I hope in his own mind he’s proud of what he said.

Win or no win, to me it was: “Someone finally stuck their neck out a little bit. Yayyyyyy.”

And BTW I realize everyone’s different. And I don’t at all think one has to go overboard and start throwing down predictions and insults and whatever else…..........but if you want to, what’s wrong with “playing the game”- even a little bit?

Like I said it doesn’t have to be super bold or even super overt…..but shoot….........SOMEONE tilt their chin up a little bit….please. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.

This is part of COMPETITION….!

I just think that whole Sabbatini thing got blown wayyyyyyy out of proportion.

Topic: Golf Talk / Tiger Woods is bad for Golf

We are SO SO lucky to be alive and witnessing these times. The reason they can’t be bad for golf is that Tiger’s best dominant streaks are things that young people today are going to be telling their grandkids about and inspiring them in fifty years from now.

People always say that….......

I really don’t get it.

You really feel THAT lucky to be able to watch someone play golf???

I have never understood this comment and still can’t.

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My general opinion on this whole topic is:

GOOD for Greg Norman. It’s about time someone said something like this-....or at least I think it needs to be said more.

I mean seriously….......Rory Sabbatini says “Tiger is more beatable than ever” (and he was) and they burn him at the steak.

(or maybe it was braiding on the wheel)

I really don’t care if he ended up beating Tiger either…...it’s the principle.

That being- IF these guys really want to win they need to put some damn heat on this guy. Or at least stop feeding him.

I say good for Greg Norman. Good for Rory Sabbatini.

Good for Stephen Ames too. (9&8 can kiss my arse)

It all starts at effort. I mean, really- what more can you do?

I don’t know what else I can say. COMPETE.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Clear Keys

Be back later.

Back…!

K….......one last thing that I want to say for now…..

......is an obvious observation but I will write it down anyway.

That being:

To me, it’s tough to tell how much of his “mental game” is him consciously doing standout “things” over and above his talent carrying him through the situations he faces.

I don’t see much evidence to be honest. And I do realize that doesn’t necessarily mean anything BTW….but it does make it more or less impossible to know.

I do know though that a good amount of these guys are pretty clueless on technique and “mental game”- even if they think they know what they’re doing. Of course I’m sure that does not mean all of them. But I have a feeling it’s the majority.

If I have to guess though I’d say a guy like that (hell-bent on improvement) must at least be into everything. (the head game included) It would be interesting for sure to know exactly WHAT kind of stuff he IS into though.

I guess we will never know unless he tells us.

I continue to figure out my own way. (with the aid of guys like Carey of course)

Good topic. This stuff doesn’t get enough attention I don’t think.

-Paul

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Clear Keys

I agree that Tiger has mental game tools, however I think that he has a hell of a lot more going on and works a hell of a lot more on them than you think.

Let me know your thoughts.

Actually that IS very possible. It’s tough to tell though because he doesn’t usually ever go beyond the normal stuff (stay positive, stay in the present, etc. etc. etc.) when he’s describing his game.

However, most people don’t seem to like to openly talk about the crazy stuff (so-called anyhow) that goes on inside their noggin either. And/or a player could just want to keep a competitive edge they feel they have. (and maybe have worked very hard for)

I guess it’s true….....in the end, who knows what’s going on inside someone’s head, right?

I think the same thing (especially) with a guy like Hogan.

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To me, you gotta watch out for anyone who thinks outside the box (and has common sense), wants a competitive edge, and is weirdly persistent.

Be back later.

-Paul

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Carey- Question On Styles And "Coming Down The Stretch"

Hey Carey. Hope you see this.

Anyhoo…...you said a while back I think that typically (i.e. history has shown) that Drivers tend to finish tournaments better than other Styles.

First of all- correct?

Secondly…........if correct, what reasoning is there behind this?

I do have my ideas but am unsure.

-PAUL

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Clear Keys

Hey Styles. Welcome to the forum.

On the topic (which I find very interesting) I will say that:

I agree that Tiger no doubt knows some good stuff (i.e. transferrable information regarding “the mental game”) and he certainly has a “good attitude”, a desire for constant improvement, a competitive spirit, etc. etc. etc…...and (thus) has a great control over his game. (obviously)

But to be honest I am skeptical of if what he does know goes beyond the typical “stay positive”, “be patient”, “have a good attitude”, “grind”...............etc.

One could say that even if that’s all he does go by then that should be good enough for all of us because he’s the best player out there. I’m not so sure though. Like I said he is pretty talented.

But then again….........you mentioned his upbringing…....and his dad very well could have taught him some interesting stuff (beyond the simple concept of “grinding”, etc.) with the Green Beret background and his zest for training his son, etc. It’s tough to know though…

Regardless, like I said this guy is obviously doing some things right….and one would be dumb to not pay attention to what it is that he IS doing.

If you do have any information to contribute I would be interested.

-Paul

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Maximum Trigger Delay

Royshh,

Byron Nelson had LOTS of Float Loading.

Why do people think this is a bad thing?

Sergio is one of the best ballstrikers on tour. Byron did it. Hogan did it. Nicklaus did it. (despite not having the most trigger delay in the world) Joe Durant. Eldrick Woods.

Etc.

Squeeze the water out of the ground…..another analogy:

“screw yourself INTO the ground.”

Shoot the powdered sugar off your arms at impact…..another analogy:

“shoot your detachable arms right off your body.” They detach from your shoulders (of course) and should hit the ground on the target side of the ball.

Divot Drill (in your neighbour’s yard):

Setup as normal but without a ball…make a divot…setup with your feet in the same footprints as where you started and with your club soled in the middle of that divot…make a new divot where the old one left off…repeat process trying to make the trench as long as you can and without moving your head too far forward. (axis tilt is important to hitting REAL golf shots)

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Maximum Trigger Delay

You have to have control of your clubface 1st of all. The most important thing is that it not be too open or you throw it away to close the face. Educated hands per-se.

You also gotta have a good pivot with a correct/effective kinetic chain.

i.e. start from the ground up and just let the hands hold on to the club. (even if you are sensing them the body does the WORK)

You gotta “squeeze the water out of the ground.” (ala Ben Doyle)

Learning to Float Load can help too.

i.e. Sergio Garcia (extreme and great example)

i.e. “drop the club from the top then hit it.”

i.e. “drop the club from the top” then “catch the drop with your pivot.”

i.e. “shake the powdered sugar off your arms past the ball.” (the “cloud” should be shot at the ground past the ball)

My favourite thought is “left shoulder up” so for me it is “drop then LSU.”

Combine with The Divot Drill and you have a winner.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Badd's Stack and Tilt

“be careful though. the posed photos of stack and tilt from golf digest look nothing like the positions badds gets into when he actually swings.”

That is THE point to me.

Add some axis tilt and a steeper armswing to those GD photos and I am more or less fine with it.

Still ain’t for EVERYone though. (like any one method)

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Clear Keys

You da man Spike. :)

Later….

........errrrrrrrrrr- CHEERS.

;-)

-PAUL

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Clear Keys

Very good post Spike.

(ORIGINALLY POSTED BY Spike) We should all be so lucky, Tai.

Ya word. (if you’re talking about Eldrick)

And this is where I agree with you about some “head doctors”…..some of these guys just give band-aids. However, the “breakthrough”, if you will, of the scientific validation of Clear Keys has allowed us to build a belief system through accurate information and a progressive path to follow.

Accurate information for sure. I’m learning more and more every day. Even with the material laid out right in front of you….there is lots to learn/master. It makes sense in my head anyway. I would like to think I have a very good mind for sniffing out BS and also good information. You have to find what works best for you though of course.

Knowing what Trust is, receiving accurate information, managing your skill development and acquiring confidence is the essence of a belief system.

The fact that you could even break it (these processes) down like that, to me, is a sign in itself.

It is nice to know that there is accurate knowledge available, not only to develop sound golf mechanics but also to develop a sound mind.

I agree. He has something here. Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it I say.

And you’re right…...a lot of the “mental game” stuff IS recycled BS. No wonder people are fed up with the stuff…..and so hesitant to take in anymore of it.