Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Head movement during hip bump

Burner

You may possibly misunderstand my position.

My offering was not a criticism of your paper or divergence from your position; merely an adjunct to your post.

The critical factor is the position of the left shoulder socket at the exact moment of impact – if it is perfectly positioned relative to the ball then all is well. However, for most golfers it is easier to guarantee that the left shoulder socket is perfectly positioned at the exact moment of impact – if the shoulders rotate around a spinal axis where the upper swing center remains stationary during the downswing.

Jeff.

Agreed.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / In the slot drill

Ax ad pops, it seems ive missed an important meeting in cuscotown, next year im there if you are i sware. ok pauly?

alex, with your knowledge, you deserve the GSEB!!!! lol

Be good to see you Son.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / In the slot drill

Yes it is Alex.

Ah kewl….all I remember it felt like a big loop and then I managed to get it right on the 18th at Cuscowilla and hit a long high draw off the tee with the driver :-)
Alex

It may have “felt” like a big loop because mentally you actually swung according to, and in line with, the way you were lined up; as opposed to the reality of bending the plane on which you had set up by then swinging straight down the line at your target – or steering.

You have a tendency to aim way right but then swing straight down the line. This brings your back swing way inside but your down swing then goes (on a loop, if you will) a bit OTT as you redirect the club head straight at your target.

Fix that Alex and you will be a very good player. You have the basic ingredients and some.

Thanks for your company at Cuscowilla. Very enjoyable.

Ah someone picked up on the closed stance then. It was something Yoda recommended that I’d do with the driver so that I can clear that damm right hip out of the way (he showed my pics of players like Hogan, Snead etc who set up this way) In my case I have this OTT move (probably due to the years of swing the club and keeping the clubface square the the line)
In time I may move the stance to a normal square stance but for now I find it helps and coupled with the feel of a loop in the downswing I can get that draw that proves so elusive to a lot of people with the driver.
Alex

Just don’t forget to go easy on the whorezontal hinging mate.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Head movement during hip bump

I wrote a review paper on head movements in the golf swing.

Head movements

It is clear that it OK for the head to move down or backwards during the downswing as long as the left side of the face doesn’t move forward of its original position.

Jeff.

I think the down or backwards to which you refer is relative to the hip bump.

That is to say that the “bump” should be confined to the hip alone and not drag the head or other body parts forwards prior to impact.

The head actually moving down and backwards, away from its starting position, changes the ball placement at set up (effectively moving it more forward) and will provoke fat or thin shots depending on the compensations effected by the individual.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / In the slot drill

Yes it is Alex.

Ah kewl….all I remember it felt like a big loop and then I managed to get it right on the 18th at Cuscowilla and hit a long high draw off the tee with the driver :-)
Alex

It may have “felt” like a big loop because mentally you actually swung according to, and in line with, the way you were lined up; as opposed to the reality of bending the plane on which you had set up by then swinging straight down the line at your target – or steering.

You have a tendency to aim way right but then swing straight down the line. This brings your back swing way inside but your down swing then goes (on a loop, if you will) a bit OTT as you redirect the club head straight at your target.

Fix that Alex and you will be a very good player. You have the basic ingredients and some.

Thanks for your company at Cuscowilla. Very enjoyable.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Pressure Point #3

Remember guys. Pressing against the shaft is not the objective here and can be quite damaging.

The idea is to sense the lag pressure via pp3 – as opposed to applying pressure with the forefinger in order to keep some contrivance in place.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / BIO SAY GOODBYE AND LEAVING INDUSTRY

Bio,

Good luck with your change of direction Mate.

Hope it leads you down the path of happiness to complete fulfillment.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Timing the right hand rotation

The right only rotates over the left post Both Arms Straight – the finish swivel.

Because it has to as you move into a full finish. It requires little, if no effort. It just happens.

Make a few left arm only swings and see and feel how your left forearm works post impact. Then add a loose right hand grip and let it go along for the ride. Illuminating stuff. Light bulbs and all that.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Warm Up, Warm Down

Ha ha haa,

It was a great week. Thanks for helping to make it so.

Here is hoping that potential is blooming.

Just imagine – next time, aaah.

I’m in if you’re in Mate. Last time was a blast and “Son of Cuscowilla” can only be better. If you come, that is.

My potential has never been so fraught!

Actually put in a couple of half way reasonable rounds this week. 11 over (82) in 25mph winds and a 15 over (88) including 5 penalties would you believe!!

Yeh, I know, nothing to get excited about but much better than I had been scoring in the couple of months pre-Cuscowilla.

Getting back to where I was before moving on to where I want to be.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Warm Up, Warm Down

physiotherapeutical, if that is a word.

If it ‘aint, its at least “Fraught with the Potential” to be one. LoL

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Swing outside in

Burner,
There is one missing key not many people speak of is loading up your muscles correctly, if you load on up muscles correctly on your back swing then apply 6-m-1 you can’t get off plane you can’t break down, then all you need is club face control and your away.
I wish I was there I would like to teach some of the boys in T.G.M this is where they are going wrong.
As much as I love T.G.M it’s only a blue print on mechanics not what the body does in a swing, what the muscles do etc

I wish you were going also because some of the swings I make are a Biomechanical disgrace. Heaven knows where they come from. At times I think I am possessed. “How could I have just done that?”

But, the feeling of a good one, the crack of the ball, par the eighteenth…........................

“See you tomorrow boys”.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Swing outside in

“but that’s golf”

But that’s true!!! I’d be that twat… ;-) and the really shitty thing is it’s still true when I say it, because I am a twat, but that’s golf….lol and why we play I suppose…. how many times have I heard on the 18th green after I sink a curler for a birdie, “That’ll bring you back next week…” after shooting 90….. hehehehehehehhehhehehe twat, still doesn’t change the fact I had a horrid round…. and I always agree….

Cliff Manley

3 bad shots and 1 good shot is still a 4….
Golf is played in a very small area, the 6 inches between your ears…

“Dont play too much golf. Two rounds a day is plenty.” Harry Vardon

Oh so very true – all of it. :)

“Golf in Our Kingdom!” Now, wasn’t there a book of that name? LoL

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Swing outside in

12shoc,

I will have more help than I could possibly use. Shame I can’t bottle some to bring home with me.

bi0mechanic,

That’s all well and good but it is when I get in motion that the short circuit occurs and all hell gets let loose.

You would not believe the difference between my good shots and the bad.

My good shots are infinitely better than when a started this infernal game and my bad shots are not as frequent – but indescribably worse!!!!

Then some twat says “but that’s golf”, which really helps.:)

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Jim Furyk

Lag,
The moment of truth is all that counts, good old educated hands,
doesn’t matter if you wrap the club around your head on your back swing , no cares if you get flat left wrist.
I seen a bloke do a waggle at the top in his swing, he hit it pure flw

Sounds like that might have been Eamon Darcy.

Boy is his swing Fugly!?

Hits the snot out of it though where it matters: at impact.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Swing outside in

Burner,
This will be a great learning curve for you, mate you know the theory and book, but what will open up your world is the way to communicate and teach T.G.M to a student,
Dart is probably the best I have seen at doing this take a video camera and record everything.
when you meet Dart won’t be shutting up once together mate, he’s a good old Aussie bloke, down to earth of great sense of humour,
very harmonised, when your around him you feel great.
One thing I love about dart is he’s a great listener, he loves to learn from everyone, Dart always tells me ,
My students think they learnt from me, but I learnt more from them.
This opened my world of teaching, when I see people reverse pivot, whatever, I think wow how smart is the person, the compensation they made to hit the ball genius, I would have never thought to do that.
Have fun mate , say hi to them all, may their lag be rampered

I will pass on a big Hi from a big Guy.

Shame you can’t be there as I need all the help I can get right now. My game is in serious melt down.

2 Doubles, 3 Triples and a bloody Quad’ today – shite doesn’t cover it. In between whiles I am hitting it like a Tour player.

Those Guys in Cuscowilla will have the technology to rebuild me – I hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / For Jeffmann/Scientist

Bio and Slinger

Chapters 17/18 are special edition …email Bio..he has the goods

Bio has always “had the goods”. Know what I’m saying?

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Swing outside in

Burner,
I’m jealous, mate you will have a ball, this will be interesting so many brains in one place,
Tell darty , don’t forget checklist 12-3 even though he’s on holidays : )

Bio,

Have a ball? I will be scared shitless at making a tit of myself in such august company.

My jaw will be dropped, mouth wide open and brain racing just trying to keep up with all those guys who can “talk the talk” and “walk the walk”.

Meeting Darty will be a bonus. Just hope I can still speak once I get into his company – a Legend.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Swing outside in

BURNER,
AMEN thankyou, this is what I try to do, instead of saying what the cause is , I give a way to fix it, well done burner, when do the boys arrive?

EVERYONE if you followed A.B’s advice you will cure O.T.T,
A.b had a huge O.T.T and cured it,

Bio,

I am not sure when they check in but I will arrive next Tuesday evening.

Wednesday morning is Range work to loosen up and Wednesday afternoon is time with Yoda himself – yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh!!!

Hope to have hooked up with the Boys before then though. Can’t wait.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Swing outside in

See my 13 segment swing video lesson on the causes and cure of the OTT move.

Causes and Cure of the OTT Move

Burner’s approach doesn’t deal with the root causes. It only makes one less inclined to hit the 2×4 when it is visibly present.

Jeff.

The root cause, without the need for sitting through thirteen segments of swing video, is that the OTT swinger initiates his start down from the top of the back swing by throwing (rotating) his right shoulder out towards the ball.

There is more to it, of course, but neither reading a thesis or sitting through countless videos will ensure that the OTT swinger will change this errant action: he will only learn more about what he is doing wrong.

Stronger, more practical, measures are called for; those that have an instant visual and sensory impact. Measures that you can take to the practise ground.

See the 2×4 but don’t hit it is purely visual – nice. See the 2×4 and hit it is sensory – not nice.

Use the 2×4, differentiate between the visual and the sensory and cure your OTT move in the process.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Swing outside in

Place a two foot long bit of 2×4 just outside your ball and learn to swing without clobbering it.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Rising up before impact

I have noticed at times my spine angle straightens pre impact causing a bad pull shot. At what point in the swing should the address spine angle start to straighten out to ensure a high and upright finish?

Gotta,

It is nigh on impossible to stand up if you are still hitting down to low point through impact.

Think about driving your right shoulder down and into the ball, or hitting the ball with your right shoulder, if you prefer.

Post impact, nature will take its course and pull you through to a full finish.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / three zones

Burner, that must be strong stuff you’re drinking. ;-)

Oh yes. If all else fails; take to the drink. Works every time!

That post was dedicated to our seafaring golf pro who in his down time Trolls golf sites.

Come to think of it, he must see many golf “sights” whilst teaching old biddies in a cruise liner.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / What causes upper body to rise on back swing?

Forgot to mention Burner, she is in no way lacking in flexibility. She exercises religiously every morning for at least an hour. We have finished a full round of golf on a hot day, and she comes home and swims 90 laps in the pool. She can get back to horizontal with a perfectly straight lft arm.

In short, she is probably fitter and more flexible than most 20 year olds these days. And yes, I know I’m a lucky man.

I wish I was half as fit and flexible, but wishing doesn’t get it done.

normc,

Glad to hear that your lady is supple and in good working order in all departments.

The problem may well be caused then by trying to add that little extra to the back swing, having already completed the pivot.

This is a common failing in “he men” when trying to gorilla the ball into the next State, so to speak.

Nice back swing followed, and destroyed, by an upstanding heave to add that extra umph.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / keeping scone behind the ball...

Eye dominance

Eye dominance – Courtesy of Geoff Mangum

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / keeping scone behind the ball...

finster869,

Geoff Mangum has reference to this subject in relation to putting on his “Puttingzone” web site.

Thanks for your input. I have tried this over the last couple of days and can see (pardon the pun) some improvements in ball striking already.

Jeff,

Anything to offer?