Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball caught in a tree?

I’d like to see a decision to back that up

Otherwise following the same logic ….if a player is sure his ball is in a small patch of deep rough he can stomp through it to find/retrieve it …...the ball more than likely will not be on the ground …..a ball in a bush is no different than a ball sitting up in grass

I agree with the principle though ….if the player is KVC the ball is in a specific spot but cannot see it ….then sure …..

But the idea does open a can of worms , I.E. shaking a branch , branch after branch ? bush after bush ?where does it stop ?

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball caught in a tree?

This implies a ball is visible IMO

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball caught in a tree?

“No” is the answer Id give to someone asking me the same question

I draw that analogy because its no different from dislodging a ball by shaking a tree

While its true you can declare the ball unidentified as unplayable and shake down without penalty….. you cant avoid penalty under 18-2a for a ball that “might” be up the tree ….

How is it different walking along a row of shrubs shaking each one , than it is stomping through deep rough ?

IMO he must see a ball to declare it

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball caught in a tree?

So if my ball enters a patch of mega thick rough ….I can declare the ball unplayable …..and stomp my way through the rough till I find the ball , then take a drop behind the rough avoiding penalty for moving the ball during the search….....

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball caught in a tree?

You sure geek ????

Can you expand further on the 2nd paragraph ?

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball caught in a tree?

Declare it unplayable ….shake the shit out of tree and get the ball down…...if its yours you can use any of the 3 options under rule 28 .....taking the point on the ground directly under where the ball was suspended as the point of reference for any drop

If it wasnt yours …bugga …..keep looking

If it wasnt yours but another ball falls out , that was yours …..you take a penalty shot for causing the ball to move ….then proceed under rule 28 ….

If you KNOW its your ball but cant retrieve it , you can substitute a ball under rule 28

If you cant identify it ….its a lost ball …....

More or less

Topic: Rules of Golf / Casual Water

Im not quite sure that thats withen the rules …..it effectively enables the committee to by default declare an area as enviornmentally sensitive …...which I doubt they can in this case

I assume your saying the penalty shot is for dropping from the unmarked hazard ? ....cause there is no penalty dropping from GUR

Topic: Rules of Golf / Which ball ?

Your ball is LOST

An interesting twist , if youd hit BOTH those balls there ..1 being a provisional

Then you get to pick which ball you want to play , but your next shot is your 4th

Topic: Rules of Golf / Tempers Rising :-[

I thought Id said that some 33 posts ago

Topic: Rules of Golf / Tempers Rising :-[

Well said pom

Topic: Rules of Golf / Tempers Rising :-[

Well that sure was random

Topic: Rules of Golf / Tempers Rising :-[

Its quite probable you DIDNT incur any penalty at all ….....

read Decision 13-2/22

Topic: Rules of Golf / drop off bare patches on fairways

In my experience committees do what ever they want , and at the end of the day its the same for everyone I guess

They might define general areas as abnormal ground conditions
i.e. Areas of exposed rock or bare areas of fairway are abnormal ground conditions , relief under rule 25-1 note the exception

Topic: Rules of Golf / Wrong hole in one!!!

Happens a hell of a lot when 9hole courses have 2 sets of tees and 2 flags on each green

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ambrose - play ball as it lies?

Sometimes the player who hit the ball to its position DOES not get to play a shot with that ball …....So the question might be mute depending on the rules set for the game

Topic: Rules of Golf / Miles

A few inches drop with unplayable ??

I wouldnt advise that ….if the ball rolls back between the roots of that tree , or into those rocks , or back into that bush ….there is NO free redrop ….you must take another penalty if you want to drop again

Topic: Rules of Golf / trees under 2 club lengths in height?

Assuming its ONLY the stake causing interference

Topic: Rules of Golf / trees under 2 club lengths in height?

And ours has “STAKED and UNDER CL’s”

Topic: Rules of Golf / Relief from ob stake

He might have been correct if the stake was defining OOB for an internal OOB on another hole

Topic: Rules of Golf / Replacing balls of different types between holes

Look in appendix 1 ..part C

There is nothing stopping you under the rules …....except in the rare case thats its been made a condition of the competition

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball Flower Bed - Relief?

The match committee at my home course had the wisdom to define our gardens as GUR ….this was all fine until I pointed out a ball K/VC lost in a garden “GUR” gave you a free drop ….

Which sounds fair , except some of these gardens were near green , and had native trees growning in them that eat golf balls like fat women eat M&M’s lol

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball Flower Bed - Relief?

The garden you describe Doc would become an integral part of the course by default would it not
If no mention of it appears in the local rules that is

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball picked up by golfers in other flights

Its lost , unless you chase the group that played the ball …and confirm one of them hit your ball

Topic: Rules of Golf / Ball Flower Bed - Relief?

option #1 …....

Its possible you could gain relief from the roses under local rule “shrubs or trees under 2 c/l’s in height”

And be careful taking 2 clublenghts relief under unplayable …you might end up on the path , with free relief back into the garden lol

Topic: Rules of Golf / what to do

or
http://www.usga.org/playing...

same rules we play under , but the site is better layed out and much easier to follow