Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / In the slot drill

Ax ad pops, it seems ive missed an important meeting in cuscotown, next year im there if you are i sware. ok pauly?

alex, with your knowledge, you deserve the GSEB!!!! lol

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Maintaining concentration over 18 holes

i ,ve always been one to just step up near to tee time and go. This year, i couldnt practice as much cause of life, business and family but i really promised myself to never go cold on the first tee, always half a bucket before teetime to compensate.

I’ve found that i shot the best rounds of my life this season. Warm up with some full wedges, short irons and a few 6 and 4 irons, 5w driver and finish with some 100yard shots and pitch shots.

I’ve found that just by doing so, i find out BEFORE hand what the shot of the day will be and go with that. Especially driver and short irons. It gives you time to sort out a pull hook or a push or whatever and you try and adjust accordingly and go with what moma nature has given you on that day.

The difference is pretty amazing scoring wise and it seems to carry on through 18 easier then start out cold turky as your muscles have time to warm up correctly instead of losing gas in the tank for having spent so much energy at the early stage of a game starting out cold.

Also, i shoot for pars all day long as a goal and when a birdie chance comes around there is no stress, its gravy on patato time at best.

Odd game.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Breaking tees

My bro is so proud when he completes a round with one tee. i just smirk when he looks at me after a shot (usually a really bad shot….) and he says: “oh well, still didnt break my tee”.

WTF?

kinda like the people that are afraid of taking a divot.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Left Thumb Pressure

yup sure am alive and a kickin…sorry havent been around much Paul, life!

btw, i sent you a e-mail about the 900CER irons and oil wedges

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Left Thumb Pressure

golf is frustrating because until one boils his pattern down to something repeatable day to day, year to year, and precisely so, ideally without compensations, there will always be such frustration.

As for the left thumb feel, you might just have correctly executed the common flail feeling it via the left thumb, of correctly executing a uncocking motion.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Left Thumb Pressure

Could you tell us where you put the left thumb on the club? is it on top of the shaft?

The feeling of lag is one of a resistance and maintenance of pressure against the grip, the heavy wet mop feel cleaning a floor. Your noodle might be sensing this and you feel it through your left thumb.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Hands Controlled Pivot

From those other threads you may have gleaned that you hands can control or be controlled. A Pivot Controlled set of hands have the pivot dragging them around.

A Hand controlled pivot is where the hands are given a job to direct the pivot. It is a learned thing. You to learn to take your hands to a slot and find it every time by design. Not only take the say right hand to a place but with the correct left and right hand alignments in place (FLW etc)

The later is better for controlling the entire set motion.

KO

Not what I thought then – better.‎

Along these lines?‎

From set up, with extensor action to maintain radius

‎“hands – up the arc of the inclined plane”‎

On too wide an arc = sway (axis moves away from target to extend effective radius)‎
On too narrow = reverse pivot (axis tilts to target to reduce effective radius)‎
On the arc = hips and shoulders rotate naturally around tilted spine axis
Above plane, under plane etc etc

So, if the brain successfully communicates the desired path, the body responds ‎accordingly in its most efficient biomechanical manner.‎

Powerdraw – you are on the same lines as me I think, but now …. Relatively, it’s ‎quite easy to get a good setup. Taking arms and hands out of the equation, it’s also ‎easy to rotate your upper body around a fixed axis, the pivot – that’s the education ‎you mean?‎

If I sway, I can put effort into insisting that my body rotate around a fixed axis. If ‎instead I tell my hands to move on a narrower arc, my body will still rotate around the ‎fixed axis because that’s most efficient – I don’t need to tell it, because the hands ‎dictate that it should. (Well, in theory, if I was better spatially aware, I could do a ‎highland fling while moving my hands on the arc…… seems a waste of energy, tho)‎

Have I landed on the right planet, Guru? Might need better sunglasses ……..‎

someday, I would like to have a brain-controlled swing. Just see it, feel it, and do it. Not worrying about what moves what. Must be nice to reach that level of competence.

Only just battled my way into conscious incompetence, but it’s nice to have a goal!‎

Game on, Mr C

yes we are on the same page, but now and then, i just seperate training the hands and the pivot, until i feel a sense of how the hands can dictate what the pivot should be doing or going when i practice the pivot correctly IF i have a faulty trained pivot.

At the end, i want my hands to control the pivot and keep my mind in the hands, but there is no wrong in training a faulty excess moving or wrongly moving pivot until it is tamed and controlled via the hands.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Hands Controlled Pivot

I like Ben Doyle’s approach to this concept.

Quote from his video :-

“Hands are saying – come on pivot, take me back, assemble and load me, come on deliver me here through the release angle “

nice

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Hands Controlled Pivot

From those other threads you may have gleaned that you hands can control or be controlled. A Pivot Controlled set of hands have the pivot dragging them around.

A Hand controlled pivot is where the hands are given a job to direct the pivot. It is a learned thing. You to learn to take your hands to a slot and find it every time by design. Not only take the say right hand to a place but with the correct left and right hand alignments in place (FLW etc)

The later is better for controlling the entire set motion.

Pauly,

i would add that despite encouraging a hand controlled pivot, the pivot still needs to study its role and must be worked on and correctly trained for a total package. Only then i would think mind in the hands can start giving its total possibilities.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / The Final Missing Piece VJ Trolio

The answer is in the dirt…I don’t have the book yet but i knew that the book is basically based on the photos coming from Clem Darracott who made the video: In Pursuit Of Perfection and the knowledge TGM as well as the Author insight.

The back views of Hogan swing is the “Piece” that concerned.

In the the 5-lesson book…Hogan said that his left knee used to be too straight during the swing and he said he “learnt” from Ed Stewart’s left knee action. In other piece, Hogan also demo. his right leg angle with a club…showing that he did not shift or sway on the right leg…he rather kept the angle of the right leg and knee flex so that he winds into the right side. (Look at the right rear pocket of Hogan picture I produced here)

Hips are a couple of joints and IMHO they cannot move on thier own…something has to create “hip” movement…Some might say all is in the EDUCATED HANDs…but again IMHO the lower trunk from the ground up unwinds and as a result the core accelerates rapidly in an ARC …so do the arms…so does the butt of the club…and so does the clubhead…A FREE RIDE of our HANDS.

I also read the yellow book, chapters 7-14; 7-15, 7-16 as ref.

Happy 2008 New Year!

KOC, that is pretty much what the general theory is on Hogans hips or secret,

i read the Trolio book and it is quite surprising whats inside, quick read but the ‘secret’ sounds promising…off season this end, but will get some results by end of the week indoors.

I think its worth the read.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Extensor Action

Despite many efforts, every time I try and apply this facet of TGM everything goes to bung. I think for me applying extensor action as outlined in the articles pulls my spine offline. I am not terribly flexible and when trying to do it as suggested in the articles, I just sway back off the ball. When I try and not sway, too much weight stays on the front foot in the backswing. Or I get so focused on the EA I swing with no pivot. In the end, I just can not do it as outlined in the articles. Basically, applying EA ruins my pivot in one way or another.

So is there another way to do EA? The whole pulling strings around and pretending my arm was a string did not work for me.

yo bear, how is the baby?

hmm…i havent been around much with the newborn and all but i have recently ‘tripped’ upon a extensor action i would like for you to try out…

normal grip and setup, but feel as though you are slightly pulling down on your left hand via the pinching of the right thumb and right forefinger together at setup. it kinda feels like swinging back with just those 2 fingers.

as discussed last year, take the pill not the bottle. What i personnaly like to feel is at setup i want to feel as though my ‘pinching’ down with those 2 fingers kinda takes my right shoulder out of its socket ever so slightly without losing bend in right arm. Then i swing back with those 2 fingers. Homer might called this ‘pulling on both ends of a rope’.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

ok Fyri

i guess i misinterpreted your statement. sorry if so, i just want you to explain why it wouldnt be good for most? i like Darts answer on this btw.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / The "Muntz trying to play golf" thread

muntz, i love your posts, you are on the right track…guru is da man, and his lessons are awesome, even at bay like you and me….keep the spirit comiing , you are on solid ground from now in. i will follow this thread, i love your passion and analysis of the swing….im in your situation 30 something with young familly, litle time to practice but passion makes me that better player.

stay tuned to gurus advice…he will take you through to the better ball game.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

my my Fyrirpoupou….lets turn the question around then,...what is your favorite system?

Why not stay on topic and comment on the Croker golf system?

ok then. why is it complete bull-shit?

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Croker Golf System

PP66,

A very simple answer to a very simple question. Good. Too good for most for it does not bear fools gladly like him and his model Ben Hogan. His system is designed to take you all the way

If you are prepared to do the hard yards it’s for you.

ph

To say that it is too good for most is complete Bull@#$%.

It is no better than any other system.

There are also far better coaches out there.

Still…it’s TGM based so it will get all the hugs and kisses here

my my Fyrirpoupou….lets turn the question around then,...what is your favorite system?

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Achieving hip rotation (weight shifting)

if not mentionned yet, RSP-rotated shoulder plane…tgm style….kinda running a line at setup from down the line view from center of club too right shoulder and swing clubhead along this line throughout.

hope it helps.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / More of a whinge with an unrealistic dream. Tee shots.

personnaly, i think confidence is a major factor in every shot either a drive or a putt.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / squat on downswing

QUOTE: Paul Hart @ May 15 2007, 08:55 AM

pj

It is really the only question.

Do you have educated hands enough to get through start-down. The bump may do it. Try and see but I don't think monitoring your body will guarantee on plane start-down.

I think swinging, dropping or forcing the club where you want it will do it. Try one hand at a time.

There is often a small outside loop with the hands but as long as the club flattens you are home.

This might not sound orthodox but at my age I just don't care. It has fixed too many golfers.

ph

love your thought process Paul, just wondering what you recommend to feel the flatten part?

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / aiming points and hand speed...

i think you have nailed it on the head with your thought process...good job.

now, for your questions, the answer should be..EXPERIMENT.

do quite the opposite and aim your aiming point 4inches in front of ball with driver and look what ball tells ya...is it fading? pushed? sliced or hooked still? your answer lies somewhere there.

now with aiming point 4 inches in front, are you still off toe or hoselish...?

do the same with ball as aiming point.

note the line of compression-aiming point, either 4 inches back, through, and 4 inches beyond will not be on the target line but the alternate targetline, going a few dimples inside and out through the other end, extending the aiming point along that 'diagonal' line compared to targetline...see that?

if your aiming 4 inches in back or forward of the target line you are toast my friend and will hit the toe all day long imo.

my 2 cents.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / lag putting you Paul Hart and others

paul and spike,

thank you so much, i love the replys...just love it.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / The Impact Zone - Clampett

refreshing...about time.
alot to think about.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / Hogan and Guru know

could be just a feel thing, ala swinger...feel the fan the close the door.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / lag putting you Paul Hart and others

hmmm.
to be honest, im a little dissapointed in the responses thus far.

very feely or mind controlish in my opinion.

im pretty much asking when you have one hell of a long putt, 50feet +, what should one do to add on accelaration?

pivot?

longer stroke?

acc3?

etc...

thus far, the think of it as a chip shot seems the most uselfull.

just wondering about Harts take since ive been told hes the lag putt champ and any other gurus think of that kinda specialty shot. thanks.

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / lag putting you Paul Hart and others

QUOTE: Paul Hart @ May 11 2007, 06:50 AM

Powerdraw,

You don't need my help. Albert gave you the best tip. And you quoted him. But you didn't really get the lesson.

Look again, you'll see.

Give it three days. If you don't get it, come again.

ph

hmmm...sorry Paul, i must be a little dense...whos Albert and what quote what lesson?

Topic: Ask Golf Guru - Golf Instruction / lag putting you Paul Hart and others

yo guyz,

wondering how to get those lag putss in close...larger stance, longer swing,etc...meaning 30-70footers with putter.

thanks! ihear Paul Hart is a great lag putter guru, but all others welcome!