Topic: Golf Talk / How did you all play this weekend?

QUOTE: Fizzer @ May 21 2007, 12:20 AM

Played very badly, I had 94 off the stick, it was windy but no exscuses, chiped and putted badly

Hows Albany holding up?

Topic: Sports Talk / Collingwood 2007

Wheres all the hobo's gone?

Topic: The Lounge / Dumbass teachers stage fake school shooting

QUOTE: racinfarmer @ May 18 2007, 10:16 AM

Why is it so out of line that any legal, sane, of age, and no criminal background citizen to be able to own a gun?

Who defines sane and at what age people have the responsibility to own a gun? Studies have shown that male minds do not develop the "responibility" area of their brain until their mid-late 20's.

Its not just about owning it, its about how it has to be stored, how its allowed to be transported, if you should be allowed to conceal it or not. They are all issues that need to be considered. It doesn't take a red neck long to think they are being abused so they decide to pull their legally concealed gun out and shoot someone in "self defense". Until that point they were legal, sane, of age and no criminal back ground.

Give me a break.

Topic: The Lounge / Eddie Maguire boned

He said he wont be back on the footy show. I hope Jessica Rowe gest his job

Topic: The Lounge / Dumbass teachers stage fake school shooting

Racin,

Even our toy guns have controls. They are not allowed to represent a gun in terms of colours etc.

I think it should be a right for any sane, of age, and law-abiding citizen have them (sound like a privilage?).

Its a pitty its typically the insane that make that argument.

Here's another insane argument you could use to back up your misguided argument:

A gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. Any gun in the hands of a good man is no threat to anyone, except bad people.

Topic: The Lounge / Dumbass teachers stage fake school shooting

QUOTE: vman @ May 18 2007, 12:20 AM

Off topic, but I was watching an episode of COPS the other night.
Mick

Mick,

Does that mean there's now a cop car riding round seymour with "bad boys, bad boys" blasting out?

Topic: iseekgolf Golf Days / ISG Challenge

I would love to see Sven play Fizzer, but they may get their bags mixed up.

Topic: The Lounge / How to react?

QUOTE: Fishman Dan @ May 17 2007, 12:46 PM

My take on this is that your elation with the first announcement is probably moreso relief. Relief that your little mates are swimming as they should, and that years spent masturbating and on the internet (and both) haven't lowered your overall effectiveness.

Second time around? Old news. I'd imagine it's much like watching an old Grand Final - the excitement is there, but you know what the result is and therefore it's difficult to get too excited about.

It also means the end of trying, which means the end of sex.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Major Brand forbids sale over web

QUOTE: Fizzer @ May 11 2007, 01:25 AM

I think your making a funny mistake

If you ain't Sven, then I ain't Ben. Welcome back Sven, we've missed you, got anything for sale?

Topic: The Lounge / Dumbass teachers stage fake school shooting

QUOTE: racinfarmer @ May 16 2007, 01:48 PM

Could have just as easily happened in Aus.

I doubt it. We have pretty tight gun laws over here. Unlike the idiots in the USA, we believe that you DON'T have the right to bare arms, and even if you're allowed to bare them, we have tight control on what types of guns are allowed. For instance, all auto-matic/semi-automatic weapons are banned in Australia.

You cannot walk into Kmart (type of WalMart) and buy a shot gun, you cannot buy a gun without a waiting period, and you certinally cannot carry one around.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Clubfitting - done properly?

QUOTE: Indacup @ May 16 2007, 10:18 AM

No problem Ben...I promise NEVER to post anything that involves brain power before my first cup of coffee..

I apologize for the confusion...

I would also suggest you look at your formulas for ball speed / loft as you're calculations don't seem to factor in the loss of ball speed as the loft gets higher. This would impact your final distance calculation.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Clubfitting - done properly?

Rory,

The printout is actually fine, the small image was showing different data the the large image, I didnt think you were that stupid to try and pull something like I thought, so I appologise for the 2nd paragraph.

Again, what you've done is change loft, not spin, in order for you to make your argument you HAVE to have the same launch angle, ball speed, loft etc in order to show how spin can add to distance, and launch (loft) will have a much greater effect on distance than spin.

Everything you're showing goes to exactly what I've said, spin is a biproduct of a correctly fitted club, and anything you do with spin will have almost no effect on overall distance (again without altering the *CORRECTLY* fitted club).

Topic: Golf Equipment / Clubfitting - done properly?

QUOTE: Indacup @ May 16 2007, 12:03 AM

No, like I said, the spin difference is a RESULT of manipulating things like loft, angle of impact, shaft charactoristics...etc..

Correct, its a biproduct of a correctly fitted club. Once the club has been correctly fitted, you CANNOT significantly alter spin rates to make and real noticable different to overall distance, WITHOUT sacrificing the characteristics of the CORRECTLY fitted club.

Your "print out" is an absolute joke, the difference in distance has nothing to do with spin, you've manipulate the swing types. If you want to at least try and make the argument, use the EXACT same specs and club and same swing characteristics, and just alter the spin rates and you'll see there is no real difference (given the ammount of spin that you can actually manipulate).

As I said in my opening post, too many bad club makers have jumped all over spin because they don't understand how to fit a club in the first place, they may know something "technically" about clubs and shafts, but fitting, nup, no idea...

Topic: Golf Equipment / Clubfitting - done properly?

all I can hear is "blah blah blah",

Please tell me how you have direct control over spin rate outside of Loft/Clubhead Speed and a few swing movements, WITHOUT sacraficing any of the key fitting variables. Simple, you can't. You fit the club correct and spin is a by product.

Low swing speeds require higher spin rates….normal rule of thumb is airtime = distance…if you have a guy with an 85 mph swing speed and give him a low spin set up, the ball will fly less, hit ground and die sooner than if he had a higher spin combination, adding flight time and distance.

you've just agreed with me without understanding what you are saying. The real ONLY way to get and keep the ball in the air is LOFT, not SPIN. Spin you have VERY VERY little control over. If you want to launch the ball you use a soft tip shaft and high loft, simple as that, how the ball spins will be a bi-product of it.

Get the LOFT correct, and the shaft profile correct, and spin will take care of itself. As I said, too many club makers who don't know what they are talking about talk about spin all day, when in REALITY they have VERY VERY LITTLE control over it (all this is assuming the player hits the same spot on the roll radius every time, as that has a massive influence on spin).

As for shaft profiling. Again you miss the point. Sure a shaft profile may represent X ball flight, but without TESTING it with the golfer you cannot see what's happening to their wrist release, weight transfer, balance in their finishing position etc etc etc. Shaft profile efects all those kinds of things and needs to be tested, not just guessed.

QUOTE
As a fitter I have very little control over spin beside changing loft.

To say that, a club fitter cannot make changes to effect spin rate is a sign of incompetence…I’m SURE you didn’t mean it to come across like that…because your following statement…

Again, I said little control, I didn't say *cannot*.

Topic: The Lounge / Top Ten Game NSFW

QUOTE: golfer69 @ May 15 2007, 09:41 AM

FFS Ben...at the end of this 10 just start a new category for top 10 hottest clubfitters.

i certinaly woulnd't rate.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Clubfitting - done properly?

QUOTE: Virge666 @ May 15 2007, 09:05 AM

Oh - and the ball change does help . . .

Correct, but if you don't like chipping and putting with it then the ball is useless. Again why I stay away from "fitting" spin (unless a player has a variety of balls they like and are happy with, then its a different story).

Topic: The Lounge / Queenslanders. Why are they so stupid?

Jack,

I am one payment away from getting my $30 Mil. These reporters are full of crap. The Nigerian Minister for "All Things Finance" contacted ME personally and ME alone because he TRUSTS ME!

Topic: The Lounge / Top Ten Game NSFW

I cannot believe this thread is back. you all suck.

Topic: Golf Equipment / Clubfitting - done properly?

I haven't posted here for a bit, and I wasn't going to, but this is something close to my heart. Personally I don't think you've been through a detailed enough fitting. There seems to be no testing of shaft profiling in terms of weight, bend profiles etc.

The rest looks great, but the shaft profiling is a critical point that needs to be fitted.

I would not worry about spin rates. Too many bad club makers have gotten on top of spin rates and started preaching how critical they are. They aren't. Spin rates at the end of the day are a by product of club head speed and loft (and a few swing mechanics). As a fitter I have very little control over spin beside changing loft. Getting the correct loft/head design/face angle/shaft profile is much more important, and your spin will be your spin when those elements are correct.

Topic: Sports Talk / Collingwood 2007

QUOTE: understudy @ Apr 26 2007, 07:32 PM

I live and breath it every day and have far more knowledge about the guys on Collingwoods list than any of you.

Two things there, Firstly, it'll kill you faster than smoking, and secondly, God I feel sorry for you.

Topic: Golf Equipment / What retailers can you recommend to purchase golf clubs from?

QUOTE: Danos @ Apr 25 2007, 10:38 PM

Drummonds or The House of Golf

Waste of time anywhere else

cant agree more

Topic: Sports Talk / Collingwood 2007

QUOTE: Carl Spackler @ Apr 26 2007, 02:31 PM

Tip: The VFL and SANFL is on ABC2 all the time, I saw Cupido getting a few touches the other day, he looks about 130kg though

He's lost some weight then?

Topic: Sports Talk / Collingwood 2007

QUOTE: understudy @ Apr 26 2007, 01:15 PM

Correct Ill agree with you there, perhaps keep your opinions to yourself in future lol

Are you kidding me? Do you know what kind of joy I've (and others) have gotten out of this. You are more fun than Sven!

Topic: Sports Talk / Collingwood 2007

QUOTE: understudy @ Apr 26 2007, 12:57 PM

I like having fun as well.

Im not wound up in the least, just enjoy correcting your factual errors and inaccuracies.

You know nothing about football and Ive enjoyed exposing that, good to see you now admit it lol

Entertaining indeed

Again the ego blinds you, you didn't expose it, I clearly show it

Topic: Sports Talk / Collingwood 2007

Understudy,

I only have fun with you, you are so easy to wind up and get going its not funny, well actually it is rather funny

I've never claimed to know anything about football, i'm not a real supporter and I probablly watch 5-6 games a year and goto 2-3. But its blokes like you that make the game entertaining, a few words here and there and your off like a buck on a bucks night, (or a collingwood player @ the docklands).

Most entertaining