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#1 larly123

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 03:39 AM

I have a Ping G2 with the NV shaft, the shaft length is 45.75". is there a reason for ping doing this? If i shortened the shaft to 45" what affect would it have on swingweight, distance, control, etc?
Thanks for any help.



#2 Ben

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 03:57 AM

For every 1/2 you take off you'll lose 3 swingweight points. Cutting it down to 45 (I'd go 44.5") you'll gain more accuracy and probablly better distance as you'll be hitting the ball more consistently.



#3 vagabond44

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 03:58 AM

QUOTE: larly123 @ Jul 18 2005, 05:39 PM

I have a Ping G2 with the NV shaft, the shaft length is 45.75". is there a reason for ping doing this? If i shortened the shaft to 45" what affect would it have on swingweight, distance, control, etc?
Thanks for any help.

larly the simplest points are these, if you shorten it , you reduce swinweight,possibly lose distance (shorter swing arc) but should increase control.WELL THATS THE THEORY ANYWAY...just go with what feels best for you...



#4 jeanmc

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 04:04 AM

well...if the club becomes lighter, you would (in theory) swing it faster, creating great clubhead speed, and in effect, greater ball velocity...

all my drivers are btw 44 and 44.5...I don't even bother swinging a 45" driver if I get one...first thing I do is remove the grip, lop off an inch, and 2 layers of tape underneath... smile.gif



#5 simulacrum

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 05:03 AM

I just cut my G2 down to 44.5 and the difference is remarkable. Lots more control and confidence allowing me to give it a decent hit, I would say I have picked up both consitency and a little distance mainly from better ball striking.



#6 kerrylane

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 08:49 AM

i got my driver cut down when i purchased it ... probably added distance just cause i was getting a more consitant hit and a hell of alot more accuracy its amazing what difference 1/2 an in can make !!!



#7 DrDrift

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 09:45 AM

Is there a special way to cut down graphite shaft? DIY possible???



#8 bigALracing

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 12:09 PM

wrap some masking tape around it so it wont splice up. I'd wet it down too and/or wear a dusk mast, as graphite fibres is apparently bad $%#@. And chop away whichever method you desire. A band saw would be the easiest. If not available, then a hack saw should do fine.



#9 LHSgolfer

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 09:53 PM

Personally I'd take a look at your height. I've considered cutting my driver shaft down but I was told it probably would not work too well since I'm almost 6'4. I can control the standard shaft well enough not to have to get it cut.



#10 Virge666

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 10:28 PM

QUOTE: LHSgolfer @ Jul 19 2005, 11:53 AM

Personally I'd take a look at your height.  I've considered cutting my driver shaft down but I was told it probably would not work too well since I'm almost 6'4.  I can control the standard shaft well enough not to have to get it cut.


It is not so much your height - it is from your tips of your fingers to the ground

This is a good starting point - not the be all and end all. A 7 iron is only 35 inches and we all can hit that can't we...

44.5-45 inches is where most of the pro's are... Ernie is a monster and he is 44.5 according to the last Russell Report.

Enjoy...



#11 calmchaos

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Posted 21 July 2005 - 01:42 AM

i got my r7 TP cut down to 45 from a little under 46. and i got about 15-20 yards more, i got a nice little draw and much better accuracy.
when i first had my shaft put in i thought that the length would help me get distance, all it did was make the club feel like a log. at 45" the r7 feels like nothing at all.



#12 Virge666

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Posted 21 July 2005 - 03:18 AM

QUOTE: calmchaos @ Jul 20 2005, 03:42 PM

i got my r7 TP cut down to 45 from a little under 46. and i got about 15-20 yards more, i got a nice little draw and much better accuracy.
when i first had my shaft put in i thought that the length would help me get distance, all it did was make the club feel like a log. at 45" the r7 feels like nothing at all.


Damn smart move !!

I did the same thing about 2 years ago - what a difference.

Nice one !



#13 TWISTER

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Posted 21 July 2005 - 01:09 PM

Ben,
if you lose 3 swingweight points for each .500 inches trimmed from the butt what is the best way of restoring the club back to it's original swingweight if that's what where you want it to be ????

Cheers,
Twister



#14 Virge666

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Posted 21 July 2005 - 05:33 PM

QUOTE: TWISTER @ Jul 21 2005, 03:09 AM

Ben,
      if you lose 3 swingweight points for each .500 inches trimmed from the butt what is the best way of restoring the club back to it's original swingweight if that's what where you want it to be ????

Cheers,
  Twister


You can weight the head or the shaft



#15 Danz

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 08:18 PM

QUOTE: Virge666 @ Jul 21 2005, 07:33 AM


You can weight the head or the shaft

sorry to dig up an old thread, but just wondering how you add weight to the shaft. Inside the shaft or under the grip?. I thought the process was to add the weight towards the head end.

2nd question. if you lop off 1 inch on say a 60 gram shaft, wouldn't you only be losing 1-2 grams in weight?



#16 Toolish

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 09:41 PM

The total weight is not the issue, it is the weight around the head area.

Making the shaft shorter makes for a shorter lever, therefore the club with a very similaar overall weight feels lighter to swing.

Weight at the head can be done with lead tape, some drivers allow hosel weights, and powder can be put down the shaft I think...not sure exactly how that works though.



#17 golfguy33

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 10:17 PM

QUOTE: Toolish @ Jul 19 2006, 11:41 AM


The total weight is not the issue, it is the weight around the head area.

Making the shaft shorter makes for a shorter lever, therefore the club with a very similaar overall weight feels lighter to swing.

Weight at the head can be done with lead tape, some drivers allow hosel weights, and powder can be put down the shaft I think...not sure exactly how that works though.


Dust & cork the shaft isn't really a good idea with graphite shafts.
Remove the shaft & tip weight to the required swing weight ( up to 12gms )
- rebuild club.
Depending on the original grip weight & papers under, you could alter
the swing weight by using lighter/heavier grips & no papers.

Jon...



#18 vman

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 12:52 AM

QUOTE: golfguy33 @ Jul 19 2006, 12:17 PM


Depending on the original grip weight & papers under, you could alter
the swing weight by using lighter/heavier grips & no papers.

Jon,

You may regain the original swingweight by using a lighter grip but the MOI of the club will still be significantly different. This is just another example of how swingweight can be tricked up and goes to show how meaningless the swingweight scale really is.

The only way to to regain the club's original MOI is to add weight to the head and/or shaft. Removing weight from the grip end may trick the swingweight scale but will have no effect on the club's MOI.

Mick



#19 golfguy33

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 01:23 AM

QUOTE: vman @ Jul 19 2006, 02:52 PM


Jon,

You may regain the original swingweight by using a lighter grip but the MOI of the club will still be significantly different. This is just another example of how swingweight can be tricked up and goes to show how meaningless the swingweight scale really is.

The only way to to regain the club's original MOI is to add weight to the head and/or shaft. Removing weight from the grip end may trick the swingweight scale but will have no effect on the club's MOI.

Mick


I agree that the MOI will be altered.
I think the question/answer was just a quick fix on how to reinstate the altered swing weight,
after cutting the shaft.
I think that if you cut ( shorten ) the shaft from its original form, then by only adding weight
back ( head end ) will not totally fix the clubs MOI.
The main problem is that the balance point has moved.
Total weight has changed, not to mention the period of Oscillation.

Jon...



#20 Ben

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 01:46 AM

Personally when I knock down a club (we'll use driver as I do that more), I inject the head with weight. I am not really concerned about the MOI of the driver, its going to be shorter, lighter and easier to hit. I don't like using tip weights as anything that sticks out above the hosel can cause a breaking point. Using grip weight will only change measured swingweight and not "feel" swingweight, so thats not an option for what I do.

After I inject it with weight (I like to use a head weight out about 206-208 grams), I personally do final adjustments using lead tape for feel.

For me drivers are about the correct shaft/loft/head design/face angle blah blah blah.. and FEEL. I don't MOI match woods, I base it more on feel. Thats what I've found works for me as a fitter anyway.






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