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#61 elizabeth

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 06:24 PM

1 is a shocker, and no doubt Jed will chime in with a thread on how we could load up a B52 and carpet bomb it, while still landing safely at Moorabbin airport.

The thing with the front tee, is that it actually brings back the option of driving the green for the good players, which was what made the old hole so good. However, the new green is not set up for that now and they should just load up the B52...

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#62 henry

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 06:35 PM

Elizabeth, I am referring to the front RIGHT tee, tucked away close to the trees. I've only seen it used on a Tuesday. It is the worst tee position on the sandbelt.



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Posted 02 June 2005 - 08:47 PM

yep, we played from the trees, no optin of driving the green unless you have a 60° driver.

it's kinda like playing the hole as a triangle

Fairway

Trees
Trees
more trees
TEE really high trees GREEN


sure the above is an exageration, but thats what it felt like from that front right tee - you could almost spit on the green, but couldn't hit a golf ball there!



#64 elizabeth

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Posted 02 June 2005 - 11:07 PM

Henry,

Firstly, congrats on your hole in one. Secondly, I thought you could slide a high fade on from the 'tree tee', but am happy to admit I might be wrong. Like so many holes down at the tree farm, the large trees grow out and up, making shots which used to be possible, impossible.

15 years ago I could hook my drive off the 18th tee onto the 2nd fairway and play a shot over the top from the 2nd fairway to the 18th green. You can't even contemplate such a shot now. Hence, it is not only the volume of trees, but the unabated growth of established trees which needs to be considered in any 'removal' type thread on the tree farm.

Those rampant trees just ruin the panoply. biggrin.gif

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#65 Jed

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Posted 04 June 2005 - 05:25 AM

Glad my sources have alerted me to this thread. The subject gets me going like little else in the world of architecture. I'd rather discuss the 1st at CGC than play 19 holes with Delta G.

Put simply the current hole is an abomination from any tee on any day in any conditions. Don't know what Henry is on. I'm surprised he has seen the course at all lately given that he is largely domiciled in a breeding barn on the Belleraine Peninsula these days biggrin.gif .

JJJ summed it up perfectly. No risk reward, you cannot see the green from the tee and the green complex is breathtakingly boring. The ONLY positive is the fact that you can hit the fairway with a 6 iron when you roll up hungover and still make par.

The old first was a gem that should be rebuilt in its original position immediately. There is no valid reason why this should not happen.



#66 marcel

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Posted 04 June 2005 - 10:57 PM

QUOTE: Jed @ Jun 3 2005, 07:25 PM

I'd rather discuss the 1st at CGC than play 19 holes with Delta G.


Kenny G yes, but delta G, puhleeese tongue.gif



#67 Moe

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Posted 07 June 2005 - 03:44 AM

my diagram didn't quite turn out, but you guys know what I mean.



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Posted 11 June 2005 - 03:38 AM

QUOTE: Thommo @ Jun 6 2005, 06:44 PM

my diagram didn't quite turn out, but you guys know what I mean.


is there any hole at the tree farm that requires a draw from the tee or in other terms hit through the ball not a 15 choppers slice
and we wonder why golf clubs are losing members when this is presented as our best course

obsolete irrelevant and overated



#69 GIANTPAUL

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Posted 12 April 2017 - 12:19 PM

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#70 golfguy33

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 08:39 PM

Great to bump and read an old threat that has been debated to death by the previous crew of GCA's 

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Lake Karrinyup

(5) "boy am I glad I didn't fly all the way acoss the continent to see this one"

Is this still a fair appraisal of golf in this country? Did Doak get it wrong? Would his list still be the same if he re-did the whole thing now (and of course including all the new course built since 1998)

Jack

I've got to question the Doak quote of not even wanting to travel across to the west to have a look but still manages to rate the course, sight unseen !

Judge

I know he is pretty fair and the book got just about everything else right.
He has been to Ranfurlie and he gave it a 5 which is exactly right.

5 is a decent mark when a 3 is 'about the standard of the average course in the world.'
Interestingly,Woodlands, the 68th best course in Australia gets a 7 (not in the book but he was there a few years after it came out) so somebody got it wrong by a long way!!

 

With Ranfurlie struggling to survive after only a decade or so after being built, it is interesting that Doak gave it a 5 and not the 3 that it really should have been given on the world scale. 

 

 

Alot of the courses that Dr. MacKenzie scrutinized and only ran his eye over the plans have been given a the tick of approval by the world of golf and GCA.

RMW was built by Russell and the Morcom bros.

 

I'm now wondering why Australian GCA currently can't get the gigs to do the local new crop of courses being developed. Most of the new sites are being done by overseas companies and many from the USA ? Reno work is abundant but the new stuff is seemingly going offshore, is it that big of a gap between them and us ?

 

Jon...


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Posted 09 March 2018 - 09:57 AM

Great to bump and read an old threat that has been debated to death by the previous crew of GCA's 

I've got to question the Doak quote of not even wanting to travel across to the west to have a look but still manages to rate the course, sight unseen !

With Ranfurlie struggling to survive after only a decade or so after being built, it is interesting that Doak gave it a 5 and not the 3 that it really should have been given on the world scale. 

 

 

Alot of the courses that Dr. MacKenzie scrutinized and only ran his eye over the plans have been given a the tick of approval by the world of golf and GCA.

RMW was built by Russell and the Morcom bros.

 

I'm now wondering why Australian GCA currently can't get the gigs to do the local new crop of courses being developed. Most of the new sites are being done by overseas companies and many from the USA ? Reno work is abundant but the new stuff is seemingly going offshore, is it that big of a gap between them and us ?

 

Jon...

 

The question might be what Aus GCA's are deserving of gigs? Some local designers haven't been producing great courses recently.



#72 RobNewy

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 06:10 PM

The question might be what Aus GCA's are deserving of gigs? Some local designers haven't been producing great courses recently.


Have you had a look at the redevelopment of Peninsula? Its insane
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#73 macc

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 07:12 PM

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Given it's his scale it's always funny when people think he gets his own opinion wrong.


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#74 golfguy33

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 10:32 AM

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Given it's his scale it's always funny when people think he gets his own opinion wrong.

I agree but sight unseen and he still rates a course ?

Jon...



#75 macc

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Posted 11 March 2018 - 12:10 PM

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Are you suggesting he hasn't seen Ranfurlie?






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