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#31 Forrest Gardener

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:50 PM

"just looks wrong".....biggest test mate is ball direction and flight,looks can deceive though.FG..https://www.youtube....h?v=ZSy30hPFEVA

 

It looks wrong as though the person who digitised the motion put the sensor in the wrong place on the elbow. And Moe Norman :)

 

On the bigger question, here is a video of Dustin Johnson. Tell me whether his first action on the downswing is to straighten his right elbow as Zen would have us do or keep it bent and near his body to generate lag. The face on part is in the second half of the video.

 


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:59 PM

its like my swing lol

 

I know the feeling :)

 

Check out the right elbow position at 0:43. Sorry if you are backing Zen on this one but he is talking cr*p.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:38 PM

Interestingly I think DJ has changed his swing of late. Would like to see some more recent slow-mos of it. 

 

I don't want to get involved or inflame some obvious disagreements on this forum so I'm not going to take any sides.

I think you all mean well and I'm going to leave it at that for the moment. 

The AMG (not Merc) guys seem to agree with Zen re the right arm extending. I don't know enough to contend.

I'm at the point where I need to try something to save myself from a vacation. 

 

Hip turn is also something I've been mucking around with. Going from resistance to just letting it go. 

I think I like somewhere inbetween. 

 


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:07 PM

Interestingly I think DJ has changed his swing of late. Would like to see some more recent slow-mos of it. 

 

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By all means look for more recent videos of DJ but my challenge is to find any top player who when viewed from front on does not have their trail elbow lower than their lead arm and close to their side in the first part of the downswing when lag is being created.

 

The AMG stuff is generally pretty good. Much better to listen to than unknown quantities on a web forum especially when they say things which are diametrically opposed.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:15 PM

Interestingly I think DJ has changed his swing of late. Would like to see some more recent slow-mos of it. 

 

I don't want to get involved or inflame some obvious disagreements on this forum so I'm not going to take any sides.

I think you all mean well and I'm going to leave it at that for the moment. 

The AMG (not Merc) guys seem to agree with Zen re the right arm extending. I don't know enough to contend.

I'm at the point where I need to try something to save myself from a vacation. 

 

Hip turn is also something I've been mucking around with. Going from resistance to just letting it go. 

I think I like somewhere inbetween. 

 

333.........just let it go...throw it out there....in simple terms,throw it out and the rest will follow,unless you start to hang on ,steer etc........i used to do that and like the feel,but,im a right side fella,its where im at now....never gunna be pro but hit a fair ball,and still enjoy the game.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:16 PM

On the bigger question, here is a video of Dustin Johnson. Tell me whether his first action on the downswing is to straighten his right elbow as Zen would have us do or keep it bent and near his body to generate lag. The face on part is in the second half of the video.

https://youtu.be/pOtgNIYGPQU


It's ok Champ, humble pie is coming your way. Enjoy it.
What part don't you understand about "Beginning to straighten from the top"
Not straighten at the top of the downswing.
Tour players begin to straighten their right arm from the top.
They don't hold their right elbow angle down to P6.
We know what Dj does champ here is a taste test.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:20 PM

It's ok Champ, humble pie is coming your way. Enjoy it.
What part don't you understand about "Beginning to straighten from the top"
Not straighten at the top of the downswing.
Tour players begin to straighten their right arm from the top.
They don't hold their right elbow angle down to P6.
We know what Dj does champ here is a taste test.
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You went way beyond that "beginning to straighten".

 

Pick the elbow straightening out of this. Tell us he generates lag by straightening his right arm. Tell us that his right elbow does not go down to his side. In fact pick out any similarity to your comical little video or anything you've said previously.

 

The saddest thing of all is that you think you've got a winning argument :lol:

 


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:53 PM

I know the feeling :)

 

Check out the right elbow position at 0:43. Sorry if you are backing Zen on this one but he is talking cr*p.

Zenstb is more than able to take care of himself i would think FG,as for me,i think there are many different ways to get the job done,our body shapes defines a lot of our swings..imo..,i for one never try to swing like anybody anymore,i used to try to swing like greg,i think we all would know how that turned out lol,nah,these days very much a right sided flogger,but enjoy my game,cheers......the only other thing i might add if i may,perhaps you are both right in some way


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:56 PM

You went way beyond that "beginning to straighten".

Pick the elbow straightening out of this. Tell us he generates lag by straightening his right arm. Tell us that his right elbow does not go down to his side. In fact pick out any similarity to your comical little video or anything you've said previously.

The saddest thing of all is that you think you've got a winning argument :lol:

Saddest thing is you think he losing.
AMG and Zen are saying the same thing.
Give it a rest.
Zen is here to help people.
Zen provides insightful information and backups it.
Present 3D of Dustin Johson prove Zen wrong.
Put up or shut up.
Your character assassination is tiresome.
Acting like an immature child.
Grow up.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:03 PM

Zenstb is more than able to take care of himself i would think FG,as for me,i think there are many different ways to get the job done,our body shapes defines a lot of our swings..imo..,i for one never try to swing like anybody anymore,i used to try to swing like greg,i think we all would know how that turned out lol,nah,these days very much a right sided flogger,but enjoy my game,cheers......the only other thing i might add if i may,perhaps you are both right in some way

 

I'm always happy to be shown to be wrong on the facts or come up against contrary opinion. I agree that there is more than one way to get the job done.

 

Zen on the other hand as he always does insisted that he and only he knew the truth about how professionals swing the club. And as amply demonstrated by the DJ videos he is wrong.

 

I've challenged Zen to pick out any similarity to his little video or anything he's said previously. I doubt that he can but we'll see.

 

All is good :)


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:04 PM

Saddest thing is you think he losing.
AMG and Zen are saying the same thing.
Give it a rest.
Zen is here to help people.
Zen provides insightful information and backups it.
Present 3D of Dustin Johson prove Zen wrong.
Put up or shut up.
Your character assassination is tiresome.
Acting like an immature child.
Grow up.

 

Gee. It's almost as though you are a sock puppet for Zen :lol:


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:04 PM

I like the Tiger slow motion. Can see how from front on the look is the right upper arm moving down and into the side.

But I can also see how his right arm is straightening from the top.

It's not like you can only have one or the other. Wnat the relative position of the right upper arm compared to the side of the body is has no bearing on the relative position of the upper right arm and right forearm.

The right forearm is definitely moving away from the right upper arm.

The right upper arm is definitely moving closer to the right side.

Simples!
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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:07 PM

I like the Tiger slow motion. Can see how from front on the look is the right upper arm moving down and into the side.

But I can also see how his right arm is straightening from the top.

It's not like you can only have one or the other. Wnat the relative position of the right upper arm compared to the side of the body is has no bearing on the relative position of the upper right arm and right forearm.

The right forearm is definitely moving away from the right upper arm.

The right upper arm is definitely moving closer to the right side.

Simples!

 

Quite so. The issue is that Zen insists that lag is created by straightening the right arm. That is nonsense.


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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:12 PM

Can you quote that bit where he says it creates lag? I can't find it.

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Posted 12 February 2019 - 10:13 PM

Can you quote that bit where he says it creates lag? I can't find it.

 

It's in his video. I can't be bothered watching it again. I'm sure he will be along any minute to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

On the subject of lag he also says that "Tour players straighten their arm from the top and the elbow doesn't get in front of the right hip." which is just plain wrong as evidenced by the DJ and Tiger videos.


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