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#31 Bluethunda

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Posted 03 January 2019 - 04:03 PM

I some times wonder about clubs mentioning damaging greens by walking buggies across them....meaning courses with very hard/firm greens, as how heavy are the mowers that roll across them when they cut the greens?


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 04:43 PM

Played Saturday comp today, and in our foursome, there was probably a dozen occasions where someone putted out with flag in

 

Everyone still wanted it tended from distance, but from 2 ft in, everyone just left the pin there and putted out. Not a big thing, but saved someone coming over to hold the pin for  tap in.  Couple of seconds here and there each time, adds up over a round.


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Posted 05 January 2019 - 05:08 PM

In our round today players generally left flag in on long putts.

 

one instance where player A left flag in on a 1m putt, hit putt firmly, it hit flag and bounced out.

after that everyone took flag out for short ones.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 06:42 AM

In our round today players generally left flag in on long putts.

one instance where player A left flag in on a 1m putt, hit putt firmly, it hit flag and bounced out.
after that everyone took flag out for short ones.

That's exactly what I'm worried about.

I holed a 20footer with the flag in yesterday though

Edited by Itchy4Scratch, 06 January 2019 - 06:42 AM.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 12:48 PM

That's exactly what I'm worried about.

I holed a 20footer with the flag in yesterday though


You have to seriously smash a putt to have it bounce off the flag away from the cup from 1m.
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Posted 06 January 2019 - 01:12 PM

You have to seriously smash a putt to have it bounce off the flag away from the cup from 1m.


Pretty good chance it wouldn't have holed without the flag I reckon
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Posted 06 January 2019 - 01:24 PM

Pretty good chance it wouldn't have holed without the flag I reckon


Snappy had one today on our third hole. At least 20 feet uphill, caught the flagstick and went about a metre past. He insisted it would have dropped without the stick. I wasn’t quite so sure.
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Posted 06 January 2019 - 01:59 PM

Agreed
Unless it's hitting dead centre it would have spat out anyway
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Posted 06 January 2019 - 02:19 PM

You have to seriously smash a putt to have it bounce off the flag away from the cup from 1m.


I'm sure there's a physicist amoung us who could tell us what speed a ball needs to be travelling at to bounce out.
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Posted 06 January 2019 - 02:56 PM

I'm sure there's a physicist amoung us who could tell us what speed a ball needs to be travelling at to bounce out.

 

The problem is that our "physicist" needs a "psychiatrist".

 

And a healthy supply of Viagra, one suspects.

 

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Posted 06 January 2019 - 04:19 PM

Thanks to a rules change by the USGA, golfers will now have three options when putting in 2019: Remove the pin completely, have someone tend the pin, or leave the pin in and unattended. If your putt hits the pin in the third scenario, there’s no penalty (formerly two strokes or loss of hole).

It’s a major change in the name of speeding up play. While I certainly applaud that effort, I’m more excited about something else: I can’t wait to see the PGA Tour ShotLink data that will be generated by this rule change, because I think it will help golfers hole more putts.

In a statement on its website, The USGA says there “should be no advantage in being able to putt with the unattended flagstick in the hole.” It continues by saying that “In some cases, the ball may strike the flagstick and bounce out of the hole when it might otherwise have been holed,” while “in other cases, the ball may hit the flagstick and finish in the hole when it might otherwise have missed.”

But before you decide how you want to putt, let’s review some facts:February_Lessons_MarkYourBalls-300x255.j

  1. Assuming the pin is securely in place, standing vertical and not swaying in the wind, the hole is 4.25” wide.
  2. The diameter of a standard flagstick is 0.5” (some pins taper to ¾” and even 1” above the hole).
  3. If you look at the space left for a golf ball, the 2.125” half-hole minus the 0.25” half-pin, leaves 1.875” between the cup edge and the pin.
  4. Golf balls are 1.68” in diameter. This leaves a .195”-gap of open space for the ball to fit into the hole with the flagstick in place.

This doesn’t sound like much space, especially if the pin is leaning slightly toward the golfer. This effect, however, has been tested, and my studies show conclusively that you should putt with the pin in!

I conducted my original Pin In/Pin Out test in 1990, and published the results in the December issue of GOLF Magazine. The testing was performed with a special putting device built to roll putts accurately aimed with a laser—and a true, pure roll—from two feet away. We rolled putts at different speeds hitting different parts of the pin on flat, uphill and downhill sloping greens. The test results were conclusive: You will hole a higher percentage of putts when you leave the flagstick in.

GettyImages-564067695-200x300.jpgThe reason for this effect is that a significant amount of energy is lost from a putt’s speed when the ball hits a fiberglass flagstick. The speed-loss enables gravity to pull the slower moving ball down into the hole more often. Even though balls have changed since my testing, holes and flagsticks have not, and the “energy-loss” effect will still win the day.


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 06:51 PM

I can see companies starting to advertise special flags for the new rule where the size of the flag at ground height is extra thin, made of a material that kills the ball and has the holder for the ball at the bottom so you can lift the ball out with the flag. 


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 06:57 PM

I'm sure there's a physicist amoung us who could tell us what speed a ball needs to be travelling at to bounce out.

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keep in mind some clubs have metal pins and others have the fibreglass flags.

 

maybe someone can clarify but I would think the metal flag more likely to cause ball to bounce back than fibre glass


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Posted 06 January 2019 - 08:07 PM

Mark

keep in mind some clubs have metal pins and others have the fibreglass flags.

 

maybe someone can clarify but I would think the metal flag more likely to cause ball to bounce back than fibre glass

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Posted 07 January 2019 - 11:35 AM

I noticed today that Warra's flags are quite thick at the bottom, taping to quite thin at the top.

I expect that design is to help prevent them being blown out by the wind and makes them bottom heavy, aiding their replacement into the hole.

Although I tapped two into the hole today (out of 9), I'm still very wary of the possibility of rebound.


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