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#91 Itchy4Scratch

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 03:27 PM

 

And then there was my unbridled delight at being asked to replace the flag before a player putted from 15ft. So there I was trying to stay far enough out of the eye of the previous player and close enough not to waste too much time before the player putted.

 

That isn't happening in any group I'm playing in. Just tell them you'll snap one of their clubs every time they ask for the flag to be replaced after it has been removed. That will shut them up. 


 


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Posted 09 January 2019 - 03:45 PM

That isn't happening in any group I'm playing in. Just tell them you'll snap one of their clubs every time they ask for the flag to be replaced after it has been removed. That will shut them up.



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Posted 09 January 2019 - 05:04 PM

Just as a hypothetical, if part of the ball is below ground level as described and a gust of wind blows the flag so that the ball pops out and finishes an inch away, was the ball holed with the previous stroke?

 

I can imagine the conversation with the rules committee saying "we all saw it, the ball was clearly stationary partially in the hole and then the flag moved and it popped out" and various lesser degrees of certainty down to "I think I saw my ball partially in the hole but it popped out".

Good question and it would/could only come into play on a really windy day, for instance. ( realistic if you're playing on King Island ) 

Should the rule be expanded to stop the gcuts type of scrutiny and either the ball has to be fully below the ground, like before ?

Or should there be a time frame of, say 3 to 5 seconds that the ball must stay in the same position before being removed ? Would that then give other fellow players the chance to assess if the ball is actually stable and some part of it is holed ?

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 05:09 PM

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 05:17 PM

 

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ps: still waiting for an apology. 

 

Not from me I hope!


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Posted 09 January 2019 - 05:30 PM

Not from me I hope!

Of course not from you.

Either gcuts in this tread or Spade in the trash can topic !

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Posted 09 January 2019 - 08:03 PM

Just as a hypothetical, if part of the ball is below ground level as described and a gust of wind blows the flag so that the ball pops out and finishes an inch away, was the ball holed with the previous stroke?
 
I can imagine the conversation with the rules committee saying "we all saw it, the ball was clearly stationary partially in the hole and then the flag moved and it popped out" and various lesser degrees of certainty down to "I think I saw my ball partially in the hole but it popped out".


That 'rider' in the rule is an unnecessary complication that will come back and bite the rule writer in due course. Just determining that the ball is between the flagstick and the edge of the cup should be sufficient.
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Posted 10 January 2019 - 05:37 PM

That 'rider' in the rule is an unnecessary complication that will come back and bite the rule writer in due course. Just determining that the ball is between the flagstick and the edge of the cup should be sufficient.



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Posted 07 February 2019 - 06:50 PM

Anyway back on topic, I for one was a doubter about this as the new rules were being discussed, and couldn't see myself doing it. But after 5 or 6 comp rounds and more than a social hits, I'd have to say Im a convert.

It genuinely saves a surprising amount of time and stuffing around where everyone in the group agrees to leave it in. Also, as someone who practices putting to tees or coins I like having a small target within the hole to aim at, and it feels like an insurance policy on fast greens, particularly downhillers.

I also saw a mygolfspy vid on YouTube where they did some reasonably scientific testing of pin in vs pin out and they found it saves more shots than it costs.

I wouldn't mind betting that by the end of the year you'll see more people doing it and that in time it'll be the norm.
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Posted 07 February 2019 - 07:18 PM

The last couple of games I have played there has been some leaving the pin in on long putts and in the scheme of things this has sped the rounds up because no one has had to rush to tend the pin.I find sometimes the shadow of the flag near the hole is enough to ask the pin to be taken out but if I play on my own I normally leave the pin in.
I agree that more players will leave the pin in and the speed of play will improve but not the short term until it is second nature to putt with the pin in.

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Posted 07 February 2019 - 07:36 PM

The last couple of games I have played there has been some leaving the pin in on long putts and in the scheme of things this has sped the rounds up because no one has had to rush to tend the pin.

 

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It would speed things up more if we didn't have to wait for balls near the pin to be marked. It's wierd having a penalty for hitting a ball near the pin but no penalty for hitting the pin itself.


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Posted 07 February 2019 - 09:24 PM

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I see James holds the world record for most consecutive birdies in a round - nine on the trot. I wonder if he left the flag in or not?
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Posted 15 February 2019 - 08:00 AM

Try sounding less like a self righteous flog next time and you might get a better response

 

Serious? I think you've got the 'self-righteous' flog tone done pretty well.

 

Interesting how your 'mates' on here 'like' your comment. But, none of them pull you up for your obvious self righteous tone about putting the flag back in for someone in "your" group (yes, this comment: http://forums.iseekg...ons/?p=1638794)... but. it's OK you are a hero and you'll threaten to break their clubs if they ask again. FFS, you must really think you are something special.

 

No wonder you can not handle someone correcting your obvious misinformation about the new rules.



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Posted 15 February 2019 - 08:02 AM

Of course not from you.

Either gcuts in this tread or Spade in the trash can topic !

Jon... 

 

No apology for me ... you are wrong. Go back and look at the posts.

 

Simple - if flagstick is on a lean, it is possible for the 'bottom of the ball' to be above the hole.

 

Just look and read the rule, why would they write it that way if it wasn't a possibility?



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Posted 15 February 2019 - 08:04 AM

Serious? I think you've got the 'self-righteous' flog tone done pretty well.

Interesting how your 'mates' on here 'like' your comment. But, none of them pull you up for your obvious self righteous tone about putting the flag back in for someone in "your" group (yes, this comment: http://forums.iseekg...ons/?p=1638794)... but. it's OK you are a hero and you'll threaten to break their clubs if they ask again. FFS, you must really think you are something special.

No wonder you can not handle someone correcting your obvious misinformation about the new rules.


Perhaps they didn't pull me up because I was obviously taking the piss?

No wonder you don't have any mates.




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