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#1 CaNadiAn MiCk

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 01:30 PM

The governing body has a number of significant changes planned for 2019, including the elimination of any penalty for hitting the flagstick when putting from on the green. While such an action is currently a two-shot penalty under Rule 17-3, starting next year players will have the choice to leave the pin in for putts of any distance.

DeChambeau, who has previously defied convention with tactics like side-saddled putting and using a compass to double check pin positions, indicated on a recent Golf Channel podcast that he plans to leave the flag in for putts starting next year, and he amplified that stance in a recent Golf.com report.

"It depends on the COR, the coefficient of restitution of the flagstick," DeChambeau said. "In U.S. Opens, I'll take it out, and every other Tour event, when it's fiberglass, I'll leave it in and bounce that ball against the flagstick if I need to."

According to DeChambeau, the thicker, metal pins at a U.S. Open will force him to adjust his strategy, but typical fiberglass pins will offer "a higher propensity for it to go in the hole" when struck by a ball.

Up to No. 6 in the latest world rankings, DeChambeau is the highest-ranked player in the field this week at the Shriners Hospitals for Children Open. Still putting with the pins out, he opened with a 5-under 66 in Las Vegas and sits three shot off the early lead set by Peter Uihlein.

 

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 01:44 PM

As much as Dechambeau is a muppet he has a point about the fibreglass pins. Those things just absorb impacts like nothing and the balls seems to drop in at outrageous speeds.

 

That being said, i still think most players/pros will opt to take the flag out. Same reason they do it now when putting from the fringe or even chipping from the fringe.

 

Personally, i'll be removing when i can but at least now if i'm first to the green and face a long distance putt I can just fire away without the current need to wait for someone to attend the flag for me.


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 01:45 PM

As much as Dechambeau is a muppet he has a point about the fibreglass pins. Those things just absorb impacts like nothing and the balls seems to drop in at outrageous speeds.

 

That being said, i still think most players/pros will opt to take the flag out. Same reason they do it now when putting from the fringe or even chipping from the fringe.

 

Personally, i'll be removing when i can but at least now if i'm first to the green and face a long distance putt I can just fire away without the current need to wait for someone to attend the flag for me.

Agree- Ill leave in sometime if downhill to hole versus uphill (back of hole act as backstop).  Have to hit hole for it to really matter either way!


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 01:55 PM

From off the green I always leave the pin in if it's fiberglass..if it has a metal base then out it comes as the ball usually bounces off it.

 

I'd probably leave it in (fiberglass) when on the green, only for looong putts. Anything close and I prefer it out.


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 02:22 PM

From off the green I always leave the pin in if it's fiberglass..if it has a metal base then out it comes as the ball usually bounces off it.

 

I'd probably leave it in (fiberglass) when on the green, only for looong putts. Anything close and I prefer it out.

Off the green is probably your usual shot eh?


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 02:23 PM

I'll probably just continue to lie it down behind the hole. That has worked for me really well in the past and see no reason to change. 

 

The material of the flag stick is irrelevant when it's horizontal 


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 03:02 PM

Off the green is probably your usual shot eh?

Yep...drill those ones in.


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 03:03 PM

I'll probably just continue to lie it down behind the hole. That has worked for me really well in the past and see no reason to change. 

 

The material of the flag stick is irrelevant when it's horizontal 

 

Yep. And about 18 inches behind the hole.

 

Stats say that a putt to 18 inches behind the hole has the best chance of going in. Win Win,


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 03:26 PM

As much as Dechambeau is a muppet he has a point about the fibreglass pins. Those things just absorb impacts like nothing and the balls seems to drop in at outrageous speeds.

 

That being said, i still think most players/pros will opt to take the flag out. Same reason they do it now when putting from the fringe or even chipping from the fringe.

 

Personally, i'll be removing when i can but at least now if i'm first to the green and face a long distance putt I can just fire away without the current need to wait for someone to attend the flag for me.

 

And I think Monty, that was the original intention of this rule, long distance putt and first to green. Pin should be out once a second person reaches the green. So professionals should never have it in to putt, caddie can take it out.


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Posted 02 November 2018 - 08:04 PM

Wont bother me to much as my fisrst putt never makes it the hole anyway
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Posted 03 November 2018 - 05:50 AM

I'll probably just continue to lie it down behind the hole. That has worked for me really well in the past and see no reason to change.

The material of the flag stick is irrelevant when it's horizontal


This is a really poorly thought out idea and the kind of response expected from someone lacking sleep.

It’s clear that the pin should be laid along the path to the hole, on any perceived downhill side, with the end of the flag finishing at the cup.

To truly be effective I recommend you also carry a second pin to lay on the perceived uphill side in case of a misread. This creates a funnel effect to the hole in the same way bumper ten pin bowling has become accepted in that sport.

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 05:53 AM

This is a really poorly thought out idea and the kind of response expected from someone lacking sleep.

It’s clear that the pin should be laid along the path to the hole, on any perceived downhill side, with the end of the flag finishing at the cup.

To truly be effective I recommend you also carry a second pin to lay on the perceived uphill side in case of a misread. This creates a funnel effect to the hole in the same way bumper ten pin bowling has become accepted in that sport.

Having more than 18 putts is resigned to be a tragedy of the past.

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 07:09 AM

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 07:17 AM

Stats have actually shown ......… that leaving the flag in actually sees more putts drop.

 

In particular they apparently show that one of the most beneficial scenarios is when the flag actually has a degree of lean towards you .. hitting the stick in that instance sees the ball move slightly downward on the rebound so it catches the lip and can either get trapped, or because of the downward ricochet, drop in the cup.

 

So, I reckon a few more people will be leaving them in if and when they are allowed (unless they haven't seen the stats on the subject)  :)


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Posted 03 November 2018 - 07:18 AM

Link to said stats?
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