not to disagree, but I think you are both discounting the game changing possibility of golf instruction that actually worked.
Everything you said is true, but also true is the fact that nearly everyone I know, and I include myself in this, currently gets worse when they start working on swing mechanics. From Nick Faldo's 3 years uncompetitive while he worked with Leadbetter, to Luke Donald losing his #1 ranking when he tried to add distance, to Martin Kaymer stuffing up his game when he tried to shift from a fade to a draw, to every hacker I have ever met who had lessons.
Zen's technology is amazing, but it is not the final deal quite yet, imo. Zen still seems to be in learning mode, which is actually fantastic imo. But, as I said earlier, where might he be in say 5 years?
Imagine. You pay, what, £200 for a 2 hour session with Zen, and get the advice: forget 4 barrel swings, forget LOP, forget RIT, for you the best is a hold off action Trevino style. The report goes back to the club pro, the club pro coaches the hacker towards a Trevino action getting paid for those lessons, the hacker drops four shots off their handicap. If they then stick with that pattern and put some effort into short game and course management, they will drop another 4 shots.
At the moment, club pros don't have good diagnostic information, they just take educated guesses, try X, try Y, try Z. Oh, that seems better, stick with Z. A couple of rounds later, Z does not seem to work any more, so the pupil concludes that lessons don't work.
100% agree technology is advancing and we are getting close. At this years PGA show the system I have will be a 1 built in system where you measure the Ground reaction forces, a ball flight monitor showing the ball flight on a projector screen. We already measure the body movement,the hands and the club data and shaft data.
Although I already did research using force plate, EMG (measures the muscle activity) and 3D. We build training programs to train the coordination patterns to swing the club.
What I do is people come to me we find out their blue print to swing a club then we measure drills and exercises to ensure the training program works.
Myself I've gone that one step further and measure the gym training programs too. Where I measure the squat patterns, vertical leap patterns. Kettle bell swings that training explosive patterns and replicate a kinetic link pattern. With squats also how to apply force through the ground like we do in golf etc.
I'm basically at the point I can give an MRI tell you what type of swing works for your body type. As example I measure the length of the shoulder joint to the elbow. Hand to Elbow. This dictates the downswing plane. This determines Elbow plane. Say you have short shoulder to elbow and Elbow to hand is longer. Your would have a high torso plane hand plane. You try to get your hand plane down onto hip plane you will go into early right lateral bending to get your hands to hip plane. This causes upper body stalling. For this person their physiology they need to have a higher hand plane. Just say You have short forearms and longer Shoulder to Elbow. You would be a hip plane hand path. These are the guys who get stuck, because they are working the hands to high into impact. Depending on the lengths of each segment. People's hand plane can be mid torso, mid hip, low hip, high shoulder, low shoulder, high torso . I found this a massive help for people to work on the right hand plane that works with their anatomy setup. I've got amazing results giving them a blueprint what their hand path should be from measurements.
Was stumble of discovery when I starting asking why the hell does people early right lateral bend occur or people get stuck.
I thought I made a great discovery although there is a guy called Mike Adams and does bioswing dynamics certifications for instructors. They measure the same thing. Wing spand and height. Wing span in his system is for backswing height although. I was reserved with this concept as an example if the wing spand higher than height , you have a high backswing. I agree if you have good physiology, although people older and physical limitations or shoulder issues doesn't seem to match.
There is cool stuff on grip types I like that he has,that matches people physical limitations and helps their hand plane an release. Worth a look at.
It was good though to find there was someone who already made the discovery and help understand what I was seeing on the 3D and was on the right page and does work.
The only failure or set back I have with what I do, is the golfer not dedicating the time to train. We have programs for the ball striking component, also have similar models for putting, pitching, bunker play and wedge play. Then the mental training component.
Although in search for greatness or better golf is back to the golfer putting in the hours to improve. Golf what you put in, is what you get out of it. Like I say to people these tour players want to be good after 20 plus years of training and practicing for thousands of hours prior to being on tour. They started as kids and kept practicing.
Devon the problem with swing mechanics is we are working on positions rather then working the dynamics of the club and body to produce the positions and why people don't get better.
Edited by Zenstb, 29 August 2018 - 09:13 PM.