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#1 OldBogey

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Posted 01 June 2018 - 11:18 AM

I expect that most Victorians have seen in the news in the last few days about Vic Police faking the number of breath tests they do in order to keep up with allocated quotas.  As a result, the road safety authority is pulling $millions out of coppers' coffers because they didn't actually do anywhere near as many random tests as they reported.

 

All that results in 'heads will roll' statements from the top saying they will punish the guilty bastards.

 

This is nowhere near the fault of the cop on the beat who is expected to meet unrealistic quotas.  It is the fault of management who have no idea of what the foot soldiers have to contend with. A far too large proportion of police officers' time is taken up with reporting of the mundane daily activities they all are expected to perform.  If they didn't have to write so much about it, they could do a lot more real policing.  They could even re-catch some of the bastard crims that the courts keep letting back out onto the streets.

 

There should not be any quotas at all for speeding, drug and alcohol tests, or catching crims (at all levels).  Just train the coppers on what they are expected to do and let them out on the streets to do their job.  Of course there'll be some bludgers but it's up to their immediate management to catch them out.  Playing numbers games is not the answer.


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Posted 01 June 2018 - 11:23 AM

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Posted 01 June 2018 - 12:19 PM

OK.. who hacked OB's account??


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Posted 01 June 2018 - 12:48 PM

There is no such thing as “quotas” for rbt, speeding or any other offence...... but a copper on the road is expected to “uphold the right” and if suspicious activity warrants performing a breath test or recording the approx speed of a vehicle then if they catch someone all well and good. Setting up mobile rbt sites is done to remind the general public that driving while under the influence of drugs or alcohol is illegal and a blitz is carried out to catch those who break the law.
As long as I can remember “quotas” have been used by police but those in charge would never admit that a “quota” has been set to meet targets.

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Posted 01 June 2018 - 01:58 PM

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Posted 01 June 2018 - 02:10 PM

There is no such thing as “quotas” for rbt, speeding or any other offence...... but a copper on the road is expected to “uphold the right” and if suspicious activity warrants performing a breath test or recording the approx speed of a vehicle then if they catch someone all well and good. Setting up mobile rbt sites is done to remind the general public that driving while under the influence of drugs or alcohol is illegal and a blitz is carried out to catch those who break the law.
As long as I can remember “quotas” have been used by police but those in charge would never admit that a “quota” has been set to meet targets.

 

The chiefs have admitted it now.  Hence all the crap flying about cheating on quotas.  If there wasn't a quota, there'd be no need to cheat.


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Posted 02 June 2018 - 09:49 AM

OB you are basing your opinions on biased media reports and quotes from Police Command taken out of context to support the political bias of the journalist involved.
RBT would be a set target for each Division on patrol to complete depending on Operational demands.
Those targets would be contingent on how many times a patrol was not actively involved in other Operations.

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 11:59 AM

With the aide of technology all the mundane police reporting BS paperwork can be f.ukd right off...

Simple GPS tracker, linked with video and audio recording from the start to end of duty. All saved to the "cloud" live as it happens. Civilian admin people can then review the audio video recorded for information needed as and when needed, and complete counts, logs etc. of activity.

Won't happen because no one wants the truth recorded. Unions will object to members being monitored, police command will object to the cost and police employees will hate being accountable.

Same technology needs to be used in all public service, including on elected politicians and their staff.

All the underhanded dealings etc would soon stop. Journalists would be able to get truth and report it. The country might move ahead then.

But.

Won't happen. No one wants to be held accountable to that extent.

EDIT - and yes this is happening in private enterprise. Law and accounting firms are now recording all conversations, logging all digital activity. Large corporations too, mimes do full GPS, video and audio recording. Port facilities too.

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 01:21 PM

Shame about The Privacy Act.

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 01:38 PM

This thread is potentially the forum equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel.

Load up, people.

 

How are you going to shoot fish in a barrel in Australia?  Illegal firearms?


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Posted 02 June 2018 - 02:20 PM

Shame about The Privacy Act.


What's that got to do with it?

Plenty of cameras recording everyone in urban areas now. No privacy issue with those.

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Posted 02 June 2018 - 07:36 PM

Hmmm. Used to know a few police and their partners on the coast 20 years ago. One station was famous for every single officer having an affair. On duty would often all go over to someone’s house for a party.
I think GPS tracking and video of police would be a great idea.
I’ve certainly been pulled over by an officer making his quota before. In Victoria. I know this was the case because of the careful trap he laid for me. Essentially he was on a country road holding up a truck at below the speed limit. I didn’t know he was there. Thought it was just a slow truck. When I overtook the truck I then suddenly realised there was a car in front that I had to overtake too. Had to put my foot down. Copper follows me in plain car for 5 minutes, can see I’m not speeding. Then does me for speeding as I overtake. When I complain he tells me if I don’t cop it he’ll do me for an extra 10k over.
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Posted 02 June 2018 - 08:44 PM

OB you are basing your opinions on biased media reports and quotes from Police Command taken out of context to support the political bias of the journalist involved.
RBT would be a set target for each Division on patrol to complete depending on Operational demands.
Those targets would be contingent on how many times a patrol was not actively involved in other Operations.


It's all a numbers game Mick, targets have to be met.




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