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#16 GhettoGolfer

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 07:47 PM

Sammy that is corporate media rhetoric


Who pays your wages IM?
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Posted 09 May 2018 - 07:50 PM

The good State of Victoria. The Crown. Her Majesty. GST.

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:02 PM

Bump you are assuming that the umpire you reference is actually independent.

Mick, you started this thread to push your agenda, that's cool, that's what this place and life is all about. I've tried to ask you open questions to engage in discussion to see how interested you were beyond the union slogans, but your cryptic and vague political response like the one above shows that you aren't.
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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:04 PM

I just wanted to get back to work.

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:06 PM

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:06 PM

Dumb Karnts.

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:09 PM

I thoughht this was a workers rights rally thread and not a taxation policy rally?

You realise corporations employ the people in Australia? Make Australia even more tax restrictive and watch the investment in business get driven overseas.

Our wages are already quite expensive, relatively speaking, and has already made manufacturing increasingly unviable here.

I know this but it's a circular argument because workers create all the value for most companies too. Hard to run a company if no one is working in it. 


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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:23 PM

Tax my SME on revenue and I will be in business and employing 12 staff exactly 29 days. That will be 13 unemployed. Multiply that be, oh let’s see, about every single business in the entire farkin country and let’s see how far your state assisted tax paid for entitlements go.
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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:32 PM

I just wanted to get back to work.

Wankers.

I'm calling BS on that Big Mick

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:34 PM

Is your SME earning as much as a Multi National Corporation? Or an NAB type enterprise?

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:50 PM

I know this but it's a circular argument because workers create all the value for most companies too. Hard to run a company if no one is working in it.


Agree. Successful companies tend to be the ones that strike the delicate balance between business needs and workforce satisfaction. There are multiple tools and levers that can potentially achieve that.

IM effectively teed off this thread with union chants eschewing the rights of the working class have been impinge without actually talking about facts. You then followed up on a completely anti-corporation tangent. Still not sure what you are trying to communicate?

Highly unionised workforces tend to approach work like the management is evil, and hold their rights in higher regard than the jobs they are responsible for.

In my book you earn your rights by showing responsibility.

The union has its place, and EBAs have played a significant role of speaking for the working class and that's great. This is why we enjoy the meal breaks, public holidays, annual leave allowance etc that we have today. It's when the balance is skewed too far is where it hard to stomach.

As much as the boss needs to look after the people, the people need to look after the boss as well.
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Posted 09 May 2018 - 09:02 PM

Is your SME earning as much as a Multi National Corporation? Or an NAB type enterprise?


You can't even compare. It's almost like you are upset that a company is making coin?

Publicly listed companies pay tax at the prescribed company tax rate at 30% based on their profits, retained profits are held in the company as an operating float and dividends paid out to shareholders as prescribed in their charter.

SMEs have to pay their company tax rate on profits, and then profit distribution back to shareholders is then taxed at the applicable tax rate, and guess what, if they are making bank, they'll be paying the top marginal tax rate for their efforts.

I have sat there many a times with owners of businesses from small single man operations to larger FTE footprints in the hundreds and I can assure you that when the last employee leaves for the night, the business owners are the ones left laying awake at night making sure that:
Business comes in through the front door at the rate they need.
Supplier and client contracts are water tight.
Cash flow is ok. Ie enough cash is coming in to pay for things like... I don't know, people's wages!
Competitors popping up wooing their clients.
Business and brand reputation is upheld.
Marketing is doing it's job to bring in business
Have they made the right strategic choices to keep their business relevant.
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Posted 09 May 2018 - 09:03 PM

Agree. Successful companies tend to be the ones that strike the delicate balance between business needs and workforce satisfaction. There are multiple tools and levers that can potentially achieve that.

IM effectively teed off this thread with union chants eschewing the rights of the working class have been impinge without actually talking about facts. You then followed up on a completely anti-corporation tangent. Still not sure what you are trying to communicate?

Highly unionised workforces tend to approach work like the management is evil, and hold their rights in higher regard than the jobs they are responsible for.

In my book you earn your rights by showing responsibility.

The union has its place, and EBAs have played a significant role of speaking for the working class and that's great. This is why we enjoy the meal breaks, public holidays, annual leave allowance etc that we have today. It's when the balance is skewed too far is where it hard to stomach.

As much as the boss needs to look after the people, the people need to look after the boss as well.

i responded to bumps question with a very straight forward example of where corporations, who are given legal person hood of equal standing to a human being (both are legal entities) i might add, are given preferential treatment in a given area despite their legal equal footing. 

He asked for an example of what Mick was arguing against, I gave him one. Not sure what's so hard to understand and im not sure what relevance a large part of this response has to mine. 



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Posted 09 May 2018 - 09:05 PM

but apart from that im just being an antagonistic drunk *****


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Posted 09 May 2018 - 09:09 PM

The balance is skewed. It's not Union chants. The worker is not just those who work in manual labour or trades.
Our entire manufacturing industry is being closed down because the Multi Nationals make more profit in unregulated countries where they can exploit their workforce.
Proposed changes to workplace laws here will take away the right for Union members to elect their leadership.
The elected Government want to give the same Multi Nationals tax cuts.
The Media tell us its a good thing.
I'm not buying what Murdoch is selling.
Why are you?

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