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#16 OldBogey

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Posted 27 April 2018 - 07:15 PM

Sorry, but that is too simple and people other than rules officials will understand it.
5 words with no sub sections, no decisions to refer to. Couldn't possibly work.

  

Unfortunately it is misleading.


I agree with languid, it provides insufficient information, but very practical.
For club golf, it makes no difference.
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Posted 27 April 2018 - 07:18 PM

I have a few thoughts. Personally I detest Preferred Lies. There is too much of this happening in OZ.
I understand a lot of our courses are regional underfunded poor condition. I hate all this lifting the ball on the way to the green.
I also dislike Committees not making an effort to express Local Rules unambiguously.
It is possible to do a better job.


Of course it can be done.
But players 'speed read' the notice and absorb:- preferred lies, 30cm, fairways.
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Posted 28 April 2018 - 11:17 AM

Of course it can be done.
But players 'speed read' the notice and absorb:- preferred lies, 30cm, fairways.

My university college had a motto - "Thorough".  Committees should adopt it.



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Posted 28 April 2018 - 04:38 PM

My university college had a motto - "Thorough".  Committees should adopt it.

 

That explains so much.

 

The rest of the world has a "near enough is good enough" motto.


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Posted 28 April 2018 - 05:41 PM

That explains so much.

 

The rest of the world has a "near enough is good enough" motto.

Define " near enough" when talking about golf.


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Posted 28 April 2018 - 06:18 PM

Define " near enough" when talking about golf.

Not necessary.
Just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Posted 28 April 2018 - 08:16 PM

That explains so much.
 


The rest of the world has a "near enough is good enough" motto.


Near enough is pathetic.

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Posted 28 April 2018 - 09:00 PM

Near enough reduces your handicap


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Posted 28 April 2018 - 09:03 PM

Near enough reduces your handicap

... unless it's already near enough.
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Posted 30 April 2018 - 08:35 AM

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Monty, this notice board message shortens the Specimen Local so that part of SLR is lost. This is a common way of communicating the intent of the Committee, “allow preferred lies for a Ball lying on the fairway/closely mown areas”.
The Specimen Local Rule reads differently. It essentially says where a Ball may be lifted and cleaned, having marked its position, then it goes on to say the Ball must be placed within a specified distance of where it lay, and not nearer the hole and Not in a Hazard or on a Putting Green. This means Through the Green, which includes rough.
The highly abbreviated common statement is readily interpreted as prohibiting placement other than on the fairway. This is not what the Authorities intend.
Putting the full Specimen Local on the Noticeboard is too much I think, for an ordinary Club. A good way is to truncate the message as your Club has with an attached statement refer to The Specimen Local Rule in Appendix 1.

 

 

Unfortunately it is misleading.

 

I understand what you mean by it doesn't include all the information regarding the local rule.

 

But how could it possibly be misleading. It's a members notice board advising that a particular local rule is in place - the finer details of that local rule are still available for members to refer to should they wish. The notice board isn't for detailing specifics of a rule it's to give members "notice" of it.

 

I just don't see how it could be misleading in any way.


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Posted 30 April 2018 - 10:28 AM

I understand what you mean by it doesn't include all the information regarding the local rule.
 
But how could it possibly be misleading. It's a members notice board advising that a particular local rule is in place - the finer details of that local rule are still available for members to refer to should they wish. The notice board isn't for detailing specifics of a rule it's to give members "notice" of it.
 
I just don't see how it could be misleading in any way.

Many Clubs put up non-conforming Local Rules. This could be just another.
If your Club wants the members and visitors to use The Specimen Local Rule all that is required is a short reference such as “Refer Appendix 1” attached to the words. It is that easy.
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Posted 30 April 2018 - 10:44 AM

Many Clubs put up non-conforming Local Rules. This could be just another.
If your Club wants the members and visitors to use The Specimen Local Rule all that is required is a short reference such as “Refer Appendix 1” attached to the words. It is that easy.

 

While true, does it actually achieve anything though? You say it's misleading, but i've never met anyone who thought it meant anything other than the obvious.

 

To be totally honest, maybe our notice board does have something to that effect included - i couldn't say one way or the other as i just pay attention to the main message and understand perfectly what it means.


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Posted 30 April 2018 - 11:36 AM

"While true, does it actually achieve anything though? You say it's misleading, but i've never met anyone who thought it meant anything other than the obvious."

​While that is your experience to date there could easily be an argument at your course any time.

​A sees B preferring a lie from fairway to rough. A thinks it is crook.  A tackles B on it then or stews on it and brings it up later.

All unnecessary angst. 

The Committee can find itself embroiled, too.

 If you get on the Match Committee  (maybe  you are?) you find it is better to be careful with detail in all aspects of running the Competitions. That includes Local Rules. Conditions of Competition are extremely important. 

​If you are not thorough and do not pay attention to detail you can get into some very unpleasant situations.


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Posted 30 April 2018 - 01:03 PM

"While true, does it actually achieve anything though? You say it's misleading, but i've never met anyone who thought it meant anything other than the obvious."

​While that is your experience to date there could easily be an argument at your course any time.

​A sees B preferring a lie from fairway to rough. A thinks it is crook.  A tackles B on it then or stews on it and brings it up later.

All unnecessary angst. 

The Committee can find itself embroiled, too.

 If you get on the Match Committee  (maybe  you are?) you find it is better to be careful with detail in all aspects of running the Competitions. That includes Local Rules. Conditions of Competition are extremely important. 

​If you are not thorough and do not pay attention to detail you can get into some very unpleasant situations.

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Posted 30 April 2018 - 01:15 PM


A sees B preferring a lie from fairway to rough. A thinks it is crook.  A tackles B on it then or stews on it and brings it up later.

All unnecessary angst.

 

Doesn't that scenario exist even when the full local rule is specified though?

 

I had to ask the question earlier about this exact scenario as I was unsure whether or not that action (preferring from fairway to rough) contradicted the rule.


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