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#31 rogolf

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 10:25 AM

"minimum of knee height" might have been a better way to go about it. Keeps it friendly for those less flexible players and realistically, how much time does it actually take to re drop it a few times if it keeps rolling away.

 

Besides, the vast majority of players would opt for the lowest option anyway so the same result would be achieved regardless.

The intent of the modernized Rules was to eliminate the "drop, drop, place" procedure.  Placing a ball rather than dropping it is always an advantage.  If the Rule said that knee height was a minimum, players would be dropping from shoulder height to ensure that the ball rolled outside the permitted drop area and they would eventually get to place it.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 10:36 AM

The intent of the modernized Rules was to eliminate the "drop, drop, place" procedure.  Placing a ball rather than dropping it is always an advantage.  If the Rule said that knee height was a minimum, players would be dropping from shoulder height to ensure that the ball rolled outside the permitted drop area and they would eventually get to place it.

 

That makes sense I guess.

 

Although i think if that's an issue for you it will remain an issue now even with knee height. Knee height will make it easier to drop right on the outer limit of the dropping area making it just as easy to get your drop, drop, place outcome.

 

If anything, it's probably easier to get a "place the ball" outcome with knee height. If your dropping on a hill in the old method, you had 2 club lengths to go before you had to re drop. Now if you're dropping on a hill you could easily ensure you get to place the ball every single time (by dropping right on the edge of the relief area).


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 10:45 AM

Oops. I missed that too...

Oh well, still an advantage for the vertically challenged.

 

One of the guys in our club is about 4'6" tall.

His 'shoulder high' was around waist high for the rest of us.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 10:53 AM

Do I understand it correctly that the only specification for this new drop is "knee height".

 

So technically old mates could stay in their carts to take the drop?

 

Or lay down, sit down, crouch down, do a handstand, etc.

 

So all are ok as long as the ball is released from the predetermined height of "knee height while standing"?


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 10:59 AM

The question I've been wondering to myself recently is, are golf rules complicated because the game is complicated or are golf rules complicated because golfers are complicated?

 


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 11:03 AM

The question I've been wondering to myself recently is, are golf rules complicated because the game is complicated or are golf rules complicated because golfers are complicated?


That's deep, man.
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Posted 16 March 2018 - 11:10 AM

The question I've been wondering to myself recently is, are golf rules complicated because the game is complicated or are golf rules complicated because golfers are morons?

 

 

FTFY


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 11:16 AM

The question I've been wondering to myself recently is, are golf rules complicated because the game is complicated or are golf rules complicated because golfers are complicated?

 

The rules have been made complicated because officials have, over the years, tried to stop players from interpreting the rules to their own advantage.

 

Take, for example, this discussion on drop height.  If the current detailed specification on how a ball is to be dropped was not there, just that the 'ball is to be dropped', most players would simply drop the ball from a comfortable height, probably around waist height, and play would continue without complication.  Sure, some people would drop from a greater height in a hope of subsequently getting to place it. Some would drop from a lower height hoping to hit the ideal spot.  But, mostly, it wouldn't make any significant difference and play would continue.  "But what if someone gets a 6 inch advantage, we'd better regulate against that !"  I would ask, why?  The chances of it actually making sufficient difference to save that player one stroke are minimal. His luck on the day has a much bigger influence on his score.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 11:31 AM

FTFY


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 11:32 AM

That's deep, man.


Asking the tough questions as always
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Posted 16 March 2018 - 05:18 PM

See Monty's post above - your suggested method does not qualify as knee height.

 

Part of the Rules say that players need to do their best to comply with the Rules.  I think it's called integrity.

It's usually pretty obvious when a player is trying to abuse the Rules and s/he should be called on it.

In fact it is Rule 1.2a

 

1.2 Standards of Player Conduct
a. Conduct Expected of All Players
 
All players are expected to play in the spirit of the game by:
• Acting with integrity – for example, by following the Rules, applying all penalties, and being honest in all aspects of play.
 
There is no penalty under the Rules for failing to act in this way, except that the Committee may disqualify a player for acting contrary to the spirit of the game if it finds that the player has committed serious misconduct.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 05:21 PM

 

Take, for example, this discussion on drop height.  If the current detailed specification on how a ball is to be dropped was not there, just that the 'ball is to be dropped', most players would simply drop the ball from a comfortable height, probably around waist height, and play would continue without complication.  Sure, some people would drop from a greater height in a hope of subsequently getting to place it. Some would drop from a lower height hoping to hit the ideal spot.  But, mostly, it wouldn't make any significant difference and play would continue.  "But what if someone gets a 6 inch advantage, we'd better regulate against that !"  I would ask, why?  The chances of it actually making sufficient difference to save that player one stroke are minimal. His luck on the day has a much bigger influence on his score.

Have a look at the videos on the USGA website showing drops being made .


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 05:25 PM

The rules have been made complicated because officials have, over the years, tried to stop players from interpreting the rules to their own advantage.

 

 

You mean encouraging the them to play by the written rules? 



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Posted 16 March 2018 - 06:30 PM

You mean encouraging the them to play by the written rules? 

 And Encouraging them to play to the same rules as the rest of the field.

 The aim of the rules is to ensure that everyone is playing the same game. Not similar versions of the same game.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 08:17 PM

 

 The aim of the rules is to ensure that everyone is playing the same game. Not similar versions of the same game.


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