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Has There Been Any Significant Distance Gains In Forged Iron Heads In The Last Decade?


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 07:36 PM

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 07:56 PM

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I can see how that would work.
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:02 PM

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:39 PM


Two nights accommodations $1000
Chauffeured airport and club transfers $500
Custom set of 14 PXG clubs $4000
PXG Xperience golf bag $300
Tour of PXG Headquarters $100
Three rounds of golf at Scottsdale National Golf Club $1500
Hosted dinner in the National Grill with a PXG representative $500
And more
Starting at $17,500

I don’t get it. That’s under $8000 value at rack rate - and I’m being generous.
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:46 PM

I only just found the T MB's are not forged, could swear I read a review stating they were "Japanese Forged". So I guess that's them out.

The only other ones I've heard that are a forged head that produce decent distance numbers for most are the TM P790's, which aren't even fully forged, but enough I assume to bend them 2* flat.

As is often the case with many of this new niche distance player iron, which if I'm being honest I don't know if I totally buy into, given they often achieve decent launch/height numbers the spin numbers are way too low.

So what separates the PXG's from say a Mizuno/Titleist/Callaway blade, other than price of course?

The T MB's are bendable but if you went down that track then you'd order the 2* flat heads.

We've snapped a 5 iron trying to move it about 3* upright, this will happen with alot of cast clubs because to get 3* you have to bend the hosel about 5* +

Cast tend to keep going back because of the original metal memory inherent in the blend of metals used in the casting.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:49 PM

Two nights accommodations $1000
Chauffeured airport and club transfers $500
Custom set of 14 PXG clubs $4000
PXG Xperience golf bag $300
Tour of PXG Headquarters $100
Three rounds of golf at Scottsdale National Golf Club $1500
Hosted dinner in the National Grill with a PXG representative $500
And more
Starting at $17,500

I don’t get it. That’s under $8000 value at rack rate - and I’m being generous.

The RRP for the set of 14 clubs alone is around $9k, bag $650 

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 05:59 AM

The RRP for the set of 14 clubs alone is around $9k, bag $650
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Oh ok. Thanks. I didn’t do that homework.
Quite a bargain then. 😄
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 06:39 AM

The RRP for the set of 14 clubs alone is around $9k, bag $650 
Jon...


Found this on the PGA Tour website:

“The irons, which according to PXG "are made with the finest alloys and are manufactured using a costly, sophisticated process that only we would use," are $300 per club. The putter and hybrid cost $400, the fairway metal $500 and the driver $700, making the bill for a full set about $5,000.”

This was dated 2016, so given inflation I still can’t see how you come up with 9 grand. The guys at Pureform quoted $350 per iron.
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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:00 AM

Found this on the PGA Tour website:

“The irons, which according to PXG "are made with the finest alloys and are manufactured using a costly, sophisticated process that only we would use," are $300 per club. The putter and hybrid cost $400, the fairway metal $500 and the driver $700, making the bill for a full set about $5,000.”

This was dated 2016, so given inflation I still can’t see how you come up with 9 grand. The guys at Pureform quoted $350 per iron.

Must have been the GI clubs with the cheapy shafts and grips. All the forged stuff start at $450 - 500 per iron and driver will run $1k with the up-graded shafts !

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ps: I'd suggest that is USD ?



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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:53 AM

Must have been the GI clubs with the cheapy shafts and grips. All the forged stuff start at $450 - 500 per iron and driver will run $1k with the up-graded shafts !
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ps: I'd suggest that is USD ?


I rang Paul Jenner at Pureform and he said that with a fitting they charge $450 per iron which includes your choice of premium shaft. Drivers as you indicated are around $1K for the head only.
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Putter: Scotty Cameron Newport M2 with Super Stroke Fatso grip
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Posted 18 March 2018 - 11:43 AM

I rang Paul Jenner at Pureform and he said that with a fitting they charge $450 per iron which includes your choice of premium shaft. Drivers as you indicated are around $1K for the head only.


So, still not $9k for a full bag?

3-pw + 2 wedges, 10 clubs at $450 = $4500

Driver, head $1,000

Allow, $1,000 for 3w

Allow, what, another $1000 for shafts for driver and 3w.

So, what's that, hmmm... $7,500.

Change from $9k for a putter and bag?
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Posted 18 March 2018 - 12:08 PM

If you want a forged head and great distance check out Onoff Kuro's.
Endo forged but do have strong lofts.
PW is 45 deg from memory.
They're gorgeous out of the middle and offer great forgiveness.
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Posted 18 March 2018 - 08:21 PM

If you want a forged head and great distance check out Onoff Kuro's.
Endo forged but do have strong lofts.
PW is 45 deg from memory.
They're gorgeous out of the middle and offer great forgiveness.

Thanks mate can't say I'd ever heard of them before, although from a quick search the only sets I've seen are on the bay.

I think I've come around to the fact that it's going to be difficult for me to see much of a distance increase from my old MP-30's if I want to keep my spin rate around a reasonable mark. I was fitted into the R300's and have had them in another fitted set since, but maybe in the last few years there might be something new that can do a bit more work, maybe a lighter shaft with slightly higher launch.

I did have a hit of the new Callaway X Forged on Friday arvo, a mate has recently bought them, they are about 1 degree stronger than standard but were flying really nice with plenty of spin, not the softest feel but pretty damn good, distance was fairly similar to my irons only about 3m more carry, but with shafts that were too stiff for me.

So I'm definitely considering them, was nice to be able to try them with normal golf balls, unlike nearly all of the demo nights were you get those range balls with lower than usual height and reduced carry.

Kind of looking at them, Titleist CB's and the MP 18 SC's. I will see what I can dig up on the ones you mentioned. Just can be difficult to get a proper demo like I did today on course, or on a practice fairway that uses decent pills.

 



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Posted 18 March 2018 - 08:48 PM

Thanks mate can't say I'd ever heard of them before, although from a quick search the only sets I've seen are on the bay.
I think I've come around to the fact that it's going to be difficult for me to see much of a distance increase from my old MP-30's if I want to keep my spin rate around a reasonable mark. I was fitted into the R300's and have had them in another fitted set since, but maybe in the last few years there might be something new that can do a bit more work, maybe a lighter shaft with slightly higher launch.
I did have a hit of the new Callaway X Forged on Friday arvo, a mate has recently bought them, they are about 1 degree stronger than standard but were flying really nice with plenty of spin, not the softest feel but pretty damn good, distance was fairly similar to my irons only about 3m more carry, but with shafts that were too stiff for me.
So I'm definitely considering them, was nice to be able to try them with normal golf balls, unlike nearly all of the demo nights were you get those range balls with lower than usual height and reduced carry.
Kind of looking at them, Titleist CB's and the MP 18 SC's. I will see what I can dig up on the ones you mentioned. Just can be difficult to get a proper demo like I did today on course, or on a practice fairway that uses decent pills.


If you're in Melbourne you can have a hit of my Onoffs some time.

As an aside, remember...the benefit of forged irons isn't the super distances they carry, but rather the consistency in the distances they travel, from shot to shot.
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Posted 19 March 2018 - 08:05 AM

I'm still thinking it's more the tradesman and less the tools.

 

I've seen some pretty impressive play from low handicappers that used cast clubs...some even on the GI side of the scale.

 

You could hand me the sweetest, best fit forged things in the world and I'd still find a way to butcher them.

 

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