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#1 languid

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 02:26 PM

Suppose a Club is considering has an established course and is considering getting an architect to improve the course.
I imagine it is logicalThe Club brief the Architect on what it is hoping to achieve.
Are there any sample briefs around that show the elements which ought to be included in the brief?
Anybody feel like offering a list?

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:17 PM

I'll offer an out of left field idea

How about a course that has a scratch rating of par off the whites but a slope of 100 - so it's easy for the higher handicappers relative to the low cappers - and a good challenge for the low cappers
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:56 PM

Suppose a Club is considering has an established course and is considering getting an architect to improve the course.
I imagine it is logicalThe Club brief the Architect on what it is hoping to achieve.
Are there any sample briefs around that show the elements which ought to be included in the brief?
Anybody feel like offering a list?

First up you need to decide who the architect is. That can be a process in itself.

 

Next up you need to decide the budget and the time frame for "improvements."

 

Does the club have an existing master plan or plans from a previous designer/architect?

 

This is relevant albeit a USA context - https://asgca.org/wp...g-architect.pdf


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:44 PM

I'll offer an out of left field idea

How about a course that has a scratch rating of par off the whites but a slope of 100 - so it's easy for the higher handicappers relative to the low cappers - and a good challenge for the low cappers

That is impossible.

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 09:39 PM

I'll offer an out of left field idea

How about a course that has a scratch rating of par off the whites but a slope of 100 - so it's easy for the higher handicappers relative to the low cappers - and a good challenge for the low cappers

I'm wondering which Australian courses get closest to this. Has anyone done a list?

The east course at Indooroopilly has par 72, 71 scr and 119 slope.

The river course at Coolangatta has par 72, 72 scr and 120 slope.

Bright has par 72, 72 scr and 122 slope.

I would think narrow fairways and lots of undulations around the greens with very few bunkers so the high handicapper can run the ball on but the low handicapper would still find it hard to get to the pin.



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Posted 02 March 2018 - 07:11 AM

That is impossible.


There are courses with slope below 113

But that with a full scratch rating may be impossible

But I'm no architect

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 07:14 AM

I'm wondering which Australian courses get closest to this. Has anyone done a list?
The east course at Indooroopilly has par 72, 71 scr and 119 slope.
The river course at Coolangatta has par 72, 72 scr and 120 slope.
Bright has par 72, 72 scr and 122 slope.
I would think narrow fairways and lots of undulations around the greens with very few bunkers so the high handicapper can run the ball on but the low handicapper would still find it hard to get to the pin.


Redland Bay whites is 70 par 70 scratch and 117 slope
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 11:22 AM

Shanks4ever,

Thanks for your post and the Reference.

Interestingly the course redesign ( done about 24 years ago on a course several decades old) master plan drawing can’t be found.

The basic design of the Course is pretty good though.

I think the idea of knowing what you want in terms of playability (difficult/easy) to suit current and future use is very important. Other posters allude to that.

High in my list is Course Maintence costs. There is no point in having interesting features of the course which you can’t afford to maintain. Bunkering is a prime example.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:28 PM

Shanks4ever,



High in my list is Course Maintence costs. There is no point in having interesting features of the course which you can’t afford to maintain. Bunkering is a prime example.

Spot on, you want the course be fun for everyone and hopefully offer a challenge for the better players.



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Posted 02 March 2018 - 06:14 PM



Committee need to ask what is driving the need for an architect.
Best that the course is broken down into components to assess.

Tees
Greens
Fairways
Roughs
Bunkers
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 07:00 PM

Gardners Run is a good example. Find out who did that.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:03 PM

Committee need to ask what is driving the need for an architect.
Best that the course is broken down into components to assess.
Tees
Greens
Fairways
Roughs
Bunkers


There is some of each of the above. Plenty of drainage issues and some areas that slow play quite a bit.
I will add landscaping master plan. There has been too much ad hoc plantingof trees and shrubs and there is a perennial problem of tree hugging dealing with existing vegetation.
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Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:06 PM

There is some of each of the above. Plenty of drainage issues and some areas that slow play quite a bit.
I will add landscaping master plan. There has been too much ad hoc plantingof trees and shrubs and there is a perennial problem of tree hugging dealing with existing vegetation.

Can the club afford a designer and at what level of engagement?  Name designer or local etc?


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Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:13 PM

Can the club afford a designer and at what level of engagement?  Name designer or local etc?


I think a Name Designer is more likely. The money would need to be secured from somewhere. Someone thinks it is possible to do so.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:44 PM

Take photos of areas that sty wet or don't drain properly. Same as tree problems. Root prune where you can and also selective prune as required. Hell I may as well name my price
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