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#31 Goldy

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:40 AM

Based on what I'm hearing out of committee, it appears I'm in the minority in trying to even up the playing numbers each grade.

 

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:54 AM

I play at a country course with a membership of around 300.

Our Club Championships are in 3 weeks

 

We have 3 grades with GA handicap limit to determine grade.

 

A up to 12.4

 

B 12.5 to 18.4 (the majority of our members)

 

C 18.5 +

 

The championship is 3 rounds of  gross stroke with a cut after 2 rounds for top 12 (plus ties) in each grade.

 

So round 3 of championship is only therefore 12 in each grade.

 this method because does even out those in contention. and allows committee to block off 9 groups on time sheet on 3rd round.

 

We usually run first round as the Monthly medal thus giving the nett component.

 

Also those members from all grades who dont " make the cut play the third week as normal stfd so less disruption to whole field.

 

Hope the way we run our championships helps with some ideas for your club Goldy.


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Posted 13 February 2018 - 07:57 AM

Oh great goldenholeinoneledgend...
A couple if things to consider....
All your honour boards would be based on the existing handicap breakup for grades at a calculated guess.... don't get me wrong I would like to see even groupings of grades but that was the argument at my club when change was muted...
In saying that the current handicapping system has changed the handicap groupings and a discussion about how to even out the grades or even a survey of players might be in order..

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:29 AM

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:05 PM

Who in their right mind 30 years from now, is going to want to look up and see a C grade trophy staring back at them from their mantelpiece? :o


I might have one of those somewhere. It would be quite an achievement to be able to see it 30 years from now. Worthy of a telegram (which surely would be an unknown item by then).

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Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:58 PM

I play at a country course with a membership of around 300.

Our Club Championships are in 3 weeks

 

We have 3 grades with GA handicap limit to determine grade.

 

A up to 12.4

 

B 12.5 to 18.4 (the majority of our members)

 

C 18.5 +

 

The championship is 3 rounds of  gross stroke with a cut after 2 rounds for top 12 (plus ties) in each grade.

 

So round 3 of championship is only therefore 12 in each grade.

 this method because does even out those in contention. and allows committee to block off 9 groups on time sheet on 3rd round.

 

We usually run first round as the Monthly medal thus giving the nett component.

 

Also those members from all grades who dont " make the cut play the third week as normal stfd so less disruption to whole field.

 

Hope the way we run our championships helps with some ideas for your club Goldy.

I like this setup. Nothing worse than being 30 shots behind after 2 rounds and having to play another stroke round. And then a Monthly medal. There are probably a few clubs with a high percentage of A graders but most club golfers just find stroke a bit tortuous.



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Posted 13 February 2018 - 10:09 PM

Our club championships have just concluded and are run over two rounds of stroke play to qualify for Open, Minor ( B grade ) and C grade. D grade is two rounds of stableford and the winner needs the most points.

 

The grades are divided up from + to 6.4 - Open section, which anyone can qualify with the lowest 8 scores to then play quarter and semi finals of 18 holes matchplay. "You can only qualify in one grade".

 

Minor is 6.5 to 9.4, C grade is 9.5 to 16.4 and D grade is the rest ( I'm not exactly sure about the breakup of C and D grades but think it's close to correct ) I believe these handicap ranges give a reasonable amount of players in each section.

 

Like the Open CC the Minor and C grade have a top 8 with quarter and semi finals. 

The finals are then 36 holes for Open and Minor with C grade playing an 18 final. 

 

In conjunction with the initial 2 stroke rounds are the qualifying for the Senior and junior matchplay top 4 to qualify in each section.

The main club championships are done and dusted over two consecutive weekends and the Senior and junior CC are given a week off before their finals over 18 holes.

 

Hope this helps, Goldengoose !

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 05:18 PM

Our club championships have just concluded and are run over two rounds of stroke play to qualify for Open, Minor ( B grade ) and C grade. D grade is two rounds of stableford and the winner needs the most points.

 

The grades are divided up from + to 6.4 - Open section, which anyone can qualify with the lowest 8 scores to then play quarter and semi finals of 18 holes matchplay. "You can only qualify in one grade".

 

Minor is 6.5 to 9.4, C grade is 9.5 to 16.4 and D grade is the rest ( I'm not exactly sure about the breakup of C and D grades but think it's close to correct ) I believe these handicap ranges give a reasonable amount of players in each section.

 

Like the Open CC the Minor and C grade have a top 8 with quarter and semi finals. 

The finals are then 36 holes for Open and Minor with C grade playing an 18 final. 

 

In conjunction with the initial 2 stroke rounds are the qualifying for the Senior and junior matchplay top 4 to qualify in each section.

The main club championships are done and dusted over two consecutive weekends and the Senior and junior CC are given a week off before their finals over 18 holes.

 

Hope this helps, Goldengoose !

Jon...  

I have seen this type of system before & I do not like it. Firstly the scratch to 6.4 group is likely to be very small thus increasing the chances of winning but mainly You are shutting out anybody above 6.4 from winning the club champs. Impossible you might say , But it isn,t. I can think of 3 instances at least. where a marker around 7 - 12 has won a club championship.If you want to throw Match play into the list. Let the winner be match play Champion.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 05:47 PM

I think for a lot of A graders, nett is just a non entity in terms of wanting to win it. As has been mentioned the gross total is what you should be aiming for.

 

As for grades, the fact that they have any part in club championships is just a farce.

 

You might as well just hand out trophies "for participation". 

 

Who in their right mind 30 years from now, is going to want to look up and see a C grade trophy staring back at them from their mantelpiece? :o

I disagree. I enjoy the competition of playing golf against players of a similar skill level to myself ie my grade and I do take pride in the victories I have achieved in my grade. There is only one club champion and everyone knows that and respects that players performance.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 07:11 PM

I disagree. I enjoy the competition of playing golf against players of a similar skill level to myself ie my grade and I do take pride in the victories I have achieved in my grade. There is only one club champion and everyone knows that and respects that players performance.


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 07:24 PM

Unless you are off 32. LoL


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 07:26 PM

Unless you are off 32. LoL

  

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Haven't you come down to 25?

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:37 PM

i would very interested to know has anyone or know anyone with a high handicap of say 25  ever one a club championship  , not just C or D grade but the overall club championships?

 

I know you would have to shoot the lights out over 4 rounds and i understand it isnt likely  to happen 


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Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:41 PM

Unless you are off 32. LoL

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Posted 14 February 2018 - 09:41 PM

Goldy, I've been at clubs with set grades, and with grades that are determined after entries close by splitting the field evenly. My preference is for grading after entries close. Champions have always been lowest gross when no matchplay component. Setting grades evenly has lots of benefits IMHO, helps to reduce the effect of sandbagging, and give a more even chance for people to win.

3 rounds of stroke with a cut should give the most deserving winner, but doesn't drag it on too much.
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