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#1 OldBogey

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:08 PM

The Greens (and others) have been carrying on about changing Australia Day to another date because native Australians see it as being 'invasion day'.

Ok, that's the date that a couple of shiploads of pommies arrived and took control of a disorganised hunk of land with native inhabitants. They should be thankful it was the Brits and not other, less civilised, people. In any case, that was one day over 200 years ago. It's not relevant to this day and age.

Australia Day is to celebrate who we are now, all of us, not just descendants of those first ships.

On The Project tonight, Pat Cash was rabbiting on about the poor conditions that aboriginals are living in, particularly in central Aust and therefore Australia Day is an insult to them and the date should be changed. The date is of no relevance at all.

By all means, use Australia Day as a vehicle to highlight the conditions under which some Australians are living - all who are doing it tough.

I've not had the benefit of witnessing the aboriginal conditions, as Pat Cash has. Many governments have tried to resolve the plight of the aboriginals with little success. They have been given housing and destroyed it, money and they've drunk it, education and they've ignored it. They attempted to civilise the aboriginal children but that backfired.

What is the answer? I don't know. But changing the date of Australia Day would do nothing for the aboriginal communities.

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:18 PM

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:27 PM

No doubt we will see more pc pandering to minority groups by our politicians until we can't celebrate anything anymore for fear of offending some group or another. What next? Lets cancel christmas, it might offend the muslim minority, Easter? Gone. 



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:32 PM

The Greens (and others) have been carrying on about changing Australia Day to another date because native Australians see it as being 'invasion day'.

Ok, that's the date that a couple of shiploads of pommies arrived and took control of a disorganised hunk of land with native inhabitants. They should be thankful it was the Brits and not other, less civilised, people. In any case, that was one day over 200 years ago. It's not relevant to this day and age.

Australia Day is to celebrate who we are now, all of us, not just descendants of those first ships.

On The Project tonight, Pat Cash was rabbiting on about the poor conditions that aboriginals are living in, particularly in central Aust and therefore Australia Day is an insult to them and the date should be changed. The date is of no relevance at all.

By all means, use Australia Day as a vehicle to highlight the conditions under which some Australians are living - all who are doing it tough.

I've not had the benefit of witnessing the aboriginal conditions, as Pat Cash has. Many governments have tried to resolve the plight of the aboriginals with little success. They have been given housing and destroyed it, money and they've drunk it, education and they've ignored it. They attempted to civilise the aboriginal children but that backfired.

What is the answer? I don't know. But changing the date of Australia Day would do nothing for the aboriginal communities.

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Posted 16 January 2018 - 07:52 PM

The Greens (and others) have been carrying on about changing Australia Day to another date because native Australians see it as being 'invasion day'.

Ok, that's the date that a couple of shiploads of pommies arrived and took control of a disorganised hunk of land with native inhabitants. They should be thankful it was the Brits and not other, less civilised, people. In any case, that was one day over 200 years ago. It's not relevant to this day and age.

Australia Day is to celebrate who we are now, all of us, not just descendants of those first ships.

On The Project tonight, Pat Cash was rabbiting on about the poor conditions that aboriginals are living in, particularly in central Aust and therefore Australia Day is an insult to them and the date should be changed. The date is of no relevance at all.

By all means, use Australia Day as a vehicle to highlight the conditions under which some Australians are living - all who are doing it tough.

I've not had the benefit of witnessing the aboriginal conditions, as Pat Cash has. Many governments have tried to resolve the plight of the aboriginals with little success. They have been given housing and destroyed it, money and they've drunk it, education and they've ignored it. They attempted to civilise the aboriginal children but that backfired.

What is the answer? I don't know. But changing the date of Australia Day would do nothing for the aboriginal communities.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:05 PM

Australia Day isn't really Australia Day anyway. It was the date the colony of New South Wales was founded. It's only been celebrated officially for about 30 years, and the public holiday was on the nearest Monday or Friday (in Victoria at least) until the last few years. A long weekend was more important than celebrating "Australia"
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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:06 PM

 The date is of no relevance at all.
 

In this case you should have no objections to the date being changed.


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Posted 16 January 2018 - 08:06 PM

I just want them to make it a long weekend every year. If it helps people feel more like they belong then i dont see why you would be against it really.

The tradition argument is a bit shallow in my opinion given it has only been national since 1994ish, although people will stand by the fact nsw had foundation day since the early 1800s.
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Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:25 AM

We can not go back to the start of the colony of 1788 and fix this, We have in this country have tried to make  amends for this,  We have have apologised.  there is a Sorry Day dedicated to this issue

 

The greens are trying to segregate the community of Australia , well need to be  as one , wether religion race or whatever

 

We celebrate  Australia day for the freedom we all have  in this country and this includes all that live in our great country.

 

The thing is many of you may not celebrate  Australia day but i bet none of you want to give up your public holiday 

 

What do we change next   christmas, easter  just becuse it may upset some religious group  

 

We are so lucky in this country  in the achievements we all have achieved, the freedom to walk down the street  and for the free speech we have we dont choose for one group of individuals to celebrate Australia day  we  the people and i mean wether you are greek italian, chinese, japenese or aboriginal can enjoy this day..

 

Surely we are bigger then causing segregation between communities

 

 

Take the councils who are choosing not to partake in Australia day, They are still wanting the funding from federal govt  that comes with Australia day, is this fair that these councils take federal funded money that comes from the tax payer for something that council chooses not to partake in... 

 

We are so lucky in this country, we are open to all races and religion and share our good soil with everyone and all we want is for everyone to enjoy this day

 

We should be thankful that it was the Brits that landed and no other nation becuase we could have been far of worse then we are now...

 

I may well be a tradionalist.  but we cant dwell on the past we can only improve things 

 

The Greens may see this as invasion day and want to  ramp up on having Australia day

but what are there policies  on Aborigional health and education?  and where do they stand on helping  aboriginals in outback Australia?

 

All this by the greens is short term political game and not thinking for the long time concern

 

I much rather do away with this celebration then change it to another date that means really nothing on that future date


Edited by ozdevil, 17 January 2018 - 09:28 AM.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:01 AM

Public Holidays are a luxury many countries don't enjoy.

If the holiday stays, does the date matter?

 

What about 2nd or 3rd Sunday in Jan? date will vary

e.g. 1st Tuesday in November? not always the same date.


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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:11 AM

The national day could be commemorated on the date Australia becomes a republic. As this doesn't seem likely anytime soon then January the 2nd could be the national day. Consecutive public holidays sounds like a good idea.



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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:37 AM

We can not go back to the start of the colony of 1788 and fix this, We have in this country have tried to make  amends for this,  We have have apologised.  there is a Sorry Day dedicated to this issue
 
The greens are trying to segregate the community of Australia , well need to be  as one , wether religion race or whatever
 
We celebrate  Australia day for the freedom we all have  in this country and this includes all that live in our great country.
 
The thing is many of you may not celebrate  Australia day but i bet none of you want to give up your public holiday 
 
What do we change next   christmas, easter  just becuse it may upset some religious group  
 
We are so lucky in this country  in the achievements we all have achieved, the freedom to walk down the street  and for the free speech we have we dont choose for one group of individuals to celebrate Australia day  we  the people and i mean wether you are greek italian, chinese, japenese or aboriginal can enjoy this day..
 
Surely we are bigger then causing segregation between communities
 
 
Take the councils who are choosing not to partake in Australia day, They are still wanting the funding from federal govt  that comes with Australia day, is this fair that these councils take federal funded money that comes from the tax payer for something that council chooses not to partake in... 
 
We are so lucky in this country, we are open to all races and religion and share our good soil with everyone and all we want is for everyone to enjoy this day
 
We should be thankful that it was the Brits that landed and no other nation becuase we could have been far of worse then we are now...
 
I may well be a tradionalist.  but we cant dwell on the past we can only improve things 
 
The Greens may see this as invasion day and want to  ramp up on having Australia day
but what are there policies  on Aborigional health and education?  and where do they stand on helping  aboriginals in outback Australia?
 
All this by the greens is short term political game and not thinking for the long time concern
 
I much rather do away with this celebration then change it to another date that means really nothing on that future date



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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:41 AM

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:56 AM

The Greens may see this as invasion day and want to  ramp up on having Australia day

but what are there policies  on Aborigional health and education?  and where do they stand on helping  aboriginals in outback Australia?

 

Google helps for these things Oz. 


https://greens.org.a...slander-peoples


Edited by Itchy4Scratch, 17 January 2018 - 10:57 AM.

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Posted 17 January 2018 - 11:06 AM

oh dear....

 

that link has been shortcutted to say 

greens org au    slander peoples 

 

not sure that is where they want to be heading 


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