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#16 OldBogey

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Posted 06 December 2017 - 01:49 PM

Another OBB (oldbogeyb!tch) against the Rules?


Of course!
If the general population of casual golfers can't handle them, or choose not to, then just perhaps they are needlessly complex. They still play their golf, but not according to the official Rules. The problem then is that not everyone is using the same standard.

I find I often have to correct the interpretation of 'remembered' rules by people who've been playing for decades. They're not stupid, have had ample time to learn them, but still don't know what's expected.

Can you experts suggest another solution to the problem?
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:32 PM

Can you experts suggest another solution to the problem?

You are asking rules 'experts' to solve a conformity problem with social and club golfers?


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 02:50 PM

Of course!
If the general population of casual golfers can't handle them, or choose not to, then just perhaps they are needlessly complex. They still play their golf, but not according to the official Rules. The problem then is that not everyone is using the same standard.

I find I often have to correct the interpretation of 'remembered' rules by people who've been playing for decades. They're not stupid, have had ample time to learn them, but still don't know what's expected.

Can you experts suggest another solution to the problem.

IMO, the problem is not with the Rules, it's with the players who choose not to learn them - and this includes the "professionals", whether they are playing pros or club pros.  Who would take their taxation questions to an accountant (read "professional") that doesn't bother to learn the taxation rules?

If the Rules are simplified, as planned for 2019, what is to suggest that any more players, including professionals, are going to learn them or understand them.  It's possible that, after simplification, even more confusion will reign.  And again, IMO, it's not the fault of the written Rules.


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Posted 06 December 2017 - 05:54 PM

You are asking rules 'experts' to solve a conformity problem with social and club golfers?


Yes.
Well, they won't accept my solution.
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Posted 06 December 2017 - 05:58 PM

IMO, the problem is not with the Rules, it's with the players who choose not to learn them - and this includes the "professionals", whether they are playing pros or club pros.  Who would take their taxation questions to an accountant (read "professional") that doesn't bother to learn the taxation rules?
If the Rules are simplified, as planned for 2019, what is to suggest that any more players, including professionals, are going to learn them or understand them.  It's possible that, after simplification, even more confusion will reign.  And again, IMO, it's not the fault of the written Rules.


It's a social problem.
That doesn't mean that it can't be fixed.
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Posted 07 December 2017 - 07:12 AM

Yes.
Well, they won't accept my solution.

and they would implement the changes how exactly?


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Posted 07 December 2017 - 08:12 AM

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 03:54 PM

Some play to the rules. Others play to the rules as they understand them which is usually  incorrect , taught to them by other players that thought they knew the rules. Others still just ignore the rules that they do not like. The first group need no change because they were prepared to learn the rules in the first place. The second group, well maybe a small % of them will benefit from the new simpler version of the rules. the rest will just carry on relying on other players knowledge of the rules.The third group will cheat anyway so the new simpler rules will not affect them at all.


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#24 OldBogey

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 06:14 PM

Some play to the rules. Others play to the rules as they understand them which is usually  incorrect , taught to them by other players that thought they knew the rules. Others still just ignore the rules that they do not like. The first group need no change because they were prepared to learn the rules in the first place. The second group, well maybe a small % of them will benefit from the new simpler version of the rules. the rest will just carry on relying on other players knowledge of the rules.The third group will cheat anyway so the new simpler rules will not affect them at all.


A reasonable assessment there, pom.

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Posted 22 December 2017 - 10:31 AM

The Solution of dealing with refusal to have a go at acquiring some Rules knowledge is to make entry to Competitions dependant on proof of capacity to play by the basic Rules.
I think some places/ Clubs in Europe require this.
Unfortunately it won’t/can’t happen here.
The basics are getting easier from 2019.
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Posted 22 December 2017 - 07:20 PM

The Solution of dealing with refusal to have a go at acquiring some Rules knowledge is to make entry to Competitions dependant on proof of capacity to play by the basic Rules.
I think some places/ Clubs in Europe require this.
Unfortunately it won’t/can’t happen here.
The basics are getting easier from 2019.

and the average golfer still won't know them

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 12:03 PM

and the average golfer still won't know them

However more golfers will improve their Rules knowledge.
When they have a go at looking up something in the Book, Players Edition or The Rule Book they will find that easier.
Your pessimism is never ending.
Your “glass” is almost empty. Mine is more than half full. Most of our forum would be glass at least half full.
Pessimism leads to depression and that has consequences. I hope you can look for and brighter things. They are there.
Unfortunately we are constantly bombarded with bad news by the media.
The good news is you can switch off the device, TV or whatever. Go fishing, get outside play golf and have a good time. I find listening to music very satisfying.
Whatever works to lift your spirits, do that.
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Posted 23 December 2017 - 01:00 PM

Maybe smash the golf cart into something.

Usually calms me down.
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Posted 23 December 2017 - 04:54 PM

However more golfers will improve their Rules knowledge.
When they have a go at looking up something in the Book, Players Edition or The Rule Book they will find that easier.
Your pessimism is never ending.
Your “glass” is almost empty. Mine is more than half full. Most of our forum would be glass at least half full.
Pessimism leads to depression and that has consequences. I hope you can look for and brighter things. They are there.
Unfortunately we are constantly bombarded with bad news by the media.
The good news is you can switch off the device, TV or whatever. Go fishing, get outside play golf and have a good time. I find listening to music very satisfying.
Whatever works to lift your spirits, do that.


I'm drinking rum ATM to lift my spirits (for another sip) and the glass is still more than half full.
Is that what you had in mind, languid?

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:01 PM

I'm drinking rum ATM to lift my spirits (for another sip) and the glass is still more than half full.
Is that what you had in mind, languid?

 If it is like your mind I would imagine that changing your spirit for the better would take more than a sip of rum.


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