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#16 hack2489

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 02:17 PM

Professional golfers should know the rules governing their occupation. After Lexi was penalized, surely every professional golfer read the rules?

Amateur golfers, different story as its not their "job". Unless its monthly medal or club championship, in which case surely its just another valid reason for slow play?
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 04:43 PM

I would have thought that this was a different situation.  In this case, it is quite obvious that the ball has been moved and he gestures in frustration about it.  I can't understand why he would assume without checking that he should play the ball from where it ended up.  Why wouldn't you call a rules official and check?


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 09:33 PM

I would have thought that this was a different situation.  In this case, it is quite obvious that the ball has been moved and he gestures in frustration about it.  I can't understand why he would assume without checking that he should play the ball from where it ended up.  Why wouldn't you call a rules official and check?


There aren't that many rules that a pro golfer has to know. Not knowing them shows a lack of dedication to the job.

Compare that to the rules of the road that a pro driver has to know. And that can be a matter of life and death.
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Posted 25 September 2017 - 11:15 PM

Went to see the movie "Tommy's Honour". Mention was made of golf's 13 rules.

WTF went wrong in the last 150 years.

Hit your ball into a divot in the middle of the fairway and tough. Miss the fairway by 30m and find an animal scrape please take a free drop.

Get back to 13 rules and get rid of all the rules Nazis
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 01:08 AM

 Miss the fairway by 30m and find an animal scrape please take a free drop.

 

Not for any old scrape you don't


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 09:59 AM

I reckon there is enough doubt that the ball was not moved by the leaf. I know it looks like it was in the video but judging by the amount that the ball continued to turn it must have been rolling across a reasonable slope and was going to turn anyway. It could just as easily have been the gust of wind that caused the ball to start turning. As for the players reaction, of course he is going to blame the leaf, It could not be that he misread the putt.


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 10:11 AM

I reckon there is enough doubt that the ball was not moved by the leaf. I know it looks like it was in the video but judging by the amount that the ball continued to turn it must have been rolling across a reasonable slope and was going to turn anyway. It could just as easily have been the gust of wind that caused the ball to start turning. As for the players reaction, of course he is going to blame the leaf, It could not be that he misread the putt.

From the footage, I am happy that the ball was deflected by the leaf. 

That was the best outcome for the fella because it meant that he got to have a mulligan for his missed putt. 

More fool him for not knowing he had the free out here


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 10:48 AM

From the footage, I am happy that the ball was deflected by the leaf. 

That was the best outcome for the fella because it meant that he got to have a mulligan for his missed putt. 

More fool him for not knowing he had the free out here

No it was obviously just the wind that caused it to move 20degrees right and then continue on a straight line. The leaf is an optical illusion. 



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Posted 26 September 2017 - 11:13 AM

No it was obviously just the wind that caused it to move 20degrees right and then continue on a straight line. The leaf is an optical illusion. 

simple tertiary level physics right there


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:17 PM

No it was obviously just the wind that caused it to move 20degrees right and then continue on a straight line. The leaf is an optical illusion. 

Do a little experiment & see if you can cause a ball to deflect with a leaf that is moving. I have seen plenty of instances of gusts of wind deflecting a putt. The leaf was carried by the gust of wind and both hit the ball at the same time. Without the wind would the leaf have caused the ball to deflect. IMO the rules officials should have considered the probability that the wind moved the ball & the leaf just happen to touch the ball at the same moment.

 BTW. Not sure how many times you have watched the video but there is no doubt that once the ball is deflected it continues to turn.


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:21 PM

Do a little experiment & see if you can cause a ball to deflect with a leaf that is moving. I have seen plenty of instances of gusts of wind deflecting a putt. The leaf was carried by the gust of wind and both hit the ball at the same time. Without the wind would the leaf have caused the ball to deflect. IMO the rules officials should have considered the probability that the wind moved the ball & the leaf just happen to touch the ball at the same moment.

 BTW. Not sure how many times you have watched the video but there is no doubt that once the ball is deflected it continues to turn.

Watched it at least 5 times now and I have never seen a gust of wind move a ball like it did in that video. I have seen a ball deflect off an object and move like that though. 

Of course, it could be a coincidence, but it's probably not. 



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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:26 PM

But a ball deflecting off an object is not the issue here. The issue is the deflection of the ball caused by an outside agency ie; The moving leaf.I cannot see that the ball rolled over the leaf. the leaf just seemed to bounce off the ball.

 Not going to make any difference to that poor golfer now.


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:28 PM

The leaf is also an object.

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 04:35 PM

All leaves are objects.

But not all objects are leaves.

True fact.

Courtesy your friendly neighbourhood knowledge worker.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 04:43 PM

All leaves are objects.

But not all objects are leaves.

True fact.

Courtesy your friendly neighbourhood knowledge worker.

What about if the leaf is still attached to the tree and is blowing in the wind when the ball hits it and is deflected? 






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