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#1 voss

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:33 AM

A large hole was dug overnight by an animal. After repairing the hole I found no evidence as to what sort of animal dug this hole.

 

Now if I had landed in this hole do I get relief , in the belief that I could not identify the animal ?



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:48 AM

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 01:23 PM

Sunshineictus Boganii will usually mark its territory with copious use of urine


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 03:17 PM

My understanding would be what ever dug the role would be considered a burrowing animal. Therefore the hole (and castings) would be considered abnormal ground conditions so you would get free relief within the bunker, nearest point no closer (all the usual garb).


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 05:05 PM

A "burrowing animal" is an animal (other than a worm, insect or the like) that makes a hole for habitation or shelter, such as a rabbit, mole, groundhog, gopher or salamander.

 

Did the hole look like a hole for habitation or shelter?


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 05:37 PM

A "burrowing animal" is an animal (other than a worm, insect or the like) that makes a hole for habitation or shelter, such as a rabbit, mole, groundhog, gopher or salamander.
 
Did the hole look like a hole for habitation or shelter?


Not quite correct. The hole in question does not necessarily have to have been created for habitation. It may have been created while searching for food. e.g. rabbits live in burrows but they also makes other holes.

Voss' question is pertinent. The player's options should not be dependant on identifying an unseen overnight 'visitor'.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:19 PM

Not quite correct. The hole in question does not necessarily have to have been created for habitation. It may have been created while searching for food. e.g. rabbits live in burrows but they also makes other holes.

Voss' question is pertinent. The player's options should not be dependant on identifying an unseen overnight 'visitor'.

 

Since what AAA quotes is the Definition, it is bound to be correct - by definition!  What it tells you  is that the hole must have been made by an animal which makes holes to live or shelter in.  That defines the animal.  It does not mean that a particular hole has to have been made as living quarters or to shelter in.  Any hole made by the burrowing animal for whatever purpose counts.

 

The player's right to free relief from the hole does indeed depend on identifying it as having been dug by a burrowing animal.  No positive identification, no relief without penalty.

 

A dog digs a large hole- no relief because it does not dig holes to live in or shelter in.

A fox digs a large hole - relief because it lives underground.  But you have to have evidence to show that it was done by a fox.


Edited by ColinCL, 21 September 2017 - 08:22 PM.


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Posted 21 September 2017 - 08:49 PM

You can usually smell the fox scent in a bunker.... foxes bury food in holes also..... just my experiences over 20
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 09:39 PM

Not quite correct. The hole in question does not necessarily have to have been created for habitation. It may have been created while searching for food. e.g. rabbits live in burrows but they also makes other holes.

Voss' question is pertinent. The player's options should not be dependant on identifying an unseen overnight 'visitor'.

I agree that the reason for the hole is irrelevant.

But relief is only available if the animal was a burrowing animal as defined in the Definitions. The species of animal has to be established.



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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:18 PM

Well....now we need to identify animals.

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 10:48 PM

Why the type of animal making the hole matters would have quite a story behind it

But it's stupid as ****
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Posted 22 September 2017 - 02:29 AM

Why the type of animal making the hole matters would have quite a story behind it

But it's stupid as ****

If **** means what I think you mean it to mean, that's the kind of evidence that can help identify what animal dug the hole :)


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 06:53 AM

If **** means what I think you mean it to mean, that's the kind of evidence that can help identify what animal dug the hole :)


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Posted 22 September 2017 - 06:54 AM

But I get where you're coming from! :)

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 08:46 AM

To be honest on any given Saturday I would offer relief. Whatever made the hole to me doesn't matter - a unidentified animal has dug a hole that shouldn't be there so relief should be granted. If an animal such as a "Greenkeeper" made the hole with a shovel I would consider it ground under repair and offer relief.


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