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#1 RobNewy

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 09:16 PM

I'm a little scared for some of the responses i will get, but here goes.


A few of our bunkers were underwater on saturday after the Friday night deluge.

One in particular was on the 7th, just right of the green

The bunker was full of water on the low side were a playing partners tee shot went. Obviously the casual water thing comes into play.

But if the bunker is full, is a drop out of the bunker ok? He could have gone further up the bunker, but that would have been nearer the hole.

As it was, the run of was horrific out of the bunker, so the place we all assumed he could drop was a few metres further back, but it was in the fairway with a mint lie.

Is this right?

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 09:33 PM

Dont you have to incur a 1 shot penalty if you're forced to take relief back out of the bunker?
You also have to keep the line with the pin.
You can go as far back as you want though.
Similar to taking an unplayable.

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:07 PM

Local rule in play?

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:26 PM

Dont you have to incur a 1 shot penalty if you're forced to take relief back out of the bunker?
You also have to keep the line with the pin.
You can go as far back as you want though.
Similar to taking an unplayable.

Not quite. That is the only option for dropping outside a bunker. It is called the 'flagline'.

Unplayable gives you three options.



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Posted 17 September 2017 - 10:33 PM

I'm a little scared for some of the responses i will get, but here goes.


A few of our bunkers were underwater on saturday after the Friday night deluge.

One in particular was on the 7th, just right of the green

The bunker was full of water on the low side were a playing partners tee shot went. Obviously the casual water thing comes into play.

But if the bunker is full, is a drop out of the bunker ok? He could have gone further up the bunker, but that would have been nearer the hole.

As it was, the run of was horrific out of the bunker, so the place we all assumed he could drop was a few metres further back, but it was in the fairway with a mint lie.

Is this right?

In this situation, relief does not have to be full relief. 

 

if complete relief is impossible, (drop) as near as possible to the spot where the ball lay, but not nearer the hole, on a part of the course in the bunker that affords maximum available relief from the condition

 

Which means the ball or his feet could still be in the water.

 

As mentioned, the committee could have made a local rule deeming that bunker as GUR. The effect would be to also lose its status as a bunker and make it Through the Green.



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Posted 18 September 2017 - 07:50 AM

So in other words he would either have to drop as close to point where maximum not complete relief could be taken (thus meaning the ball or feet could in the water) and have to play as it lay?

Otherwise Unplayable and goes with the options for unplayable with a 1 stroke penalty?


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Posted 18 September 2017 - 06:18 PM

In the bunker

He would either have to drop as close to point where maximum not complete relief could be taken (thus meaning the ball or feet could in the water) or have to play as it lay

 

Outside the bunker

Unplayable and goes with the only permissible option for unplayable in the case of a bunker (ie flagline) with a 1 stroke penalty


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Posted 19 September 2017 - 07:02 PM

 

In the bunker

He would either have to drop as close to point where maximum not complete relief could be taken (thus meaning the ball or feet could in the water) or have to play as it lay

 

Outside the bunker

Unplayable and goes with the only permissible option for unplayable in the case of a bunker (ie flagline) with a 1 stroke penalty

 

 

I fear  you've confused what you made clear earlier about the difference between relief from casual water and from an unplayable ball in a bunker!  

 

Maybe a summary will help others:

 

Relief from casual water in a bunker [R25-1b (ii)]

In the bunker - within 1 club length of nearest point of relief  or point of nearest maximum relief not nearer the hole without penalty;

or,

outside the bunker  - as far back on the flagline as you like anywhere with a 1 stroke penalty.

 

Relief from unplayable ball in a bunker [R28]

Dropping in the bunker - within two club lengths of the ball or on the flagline as far back as you likewith a 1 stroke penalty.

Outside the bunker -  playing from where you played your previous stroke with a 1 stroke penalty (stroke and distance).  


Edited by ColinCL, 19 September 2017 - 07:03 PM.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 08:06 PM

So if a bunker is full of water due to unforseen weather conditions and you cannot get a dry lie in the bunker no nearer the hole you must drop outside the bunker and cop a 1 shot penalty. Unless a local law is in place stating bunkers are either out of play or if flooded GUR.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 08:10 PM

Don't worry about it Mick.

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 08:41 PM

So if a bunker is full of water due to unforseen weather conditions and you cannot get a dry lie in the bunker no nearer the hole you must drop outside the bunker and cop a 1 shot penalty. Unless a local law is in place stating bunkers are either out of play or if flooded GUR.


Seems that way.
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Posted 19 September 2017 - 09:57 PM

So if a bunker is full of water due to unforseen weather conditions and you cannot get a dry lie in the bunker no nearer the hole you must drop outside the bunker and cop a 1 shot penalty. Unless a local law is in place stating bunkers are either out of play or if flooded GUR.


You can still drop in the bunker where the water isn't as deep, provided no nearer to the hole, without a penalty.

Usually, if you are taking relief from casual water, GUR, paths, you have to take full relief. i.e. both stance and lie of the ball. However, bunkers have limits and full relief may not be possible within the bunker. If you want to drop out of the bunker, it'll cost you a stroke.

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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:54 AM

Lazy captain should have been around and made a decision, and written on local
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Posted 20 September 2017 - 05:39 AM

I fear  you've confused what you made clear earlier about the difference between relief from casual water and from an unplayable ball in a bunker!  

 

Maybe a summary will help others:

 

Relief from casual water in a bunker [R25-1b (ii)]

In the bunker - within 1 club length of nearest point of relief  or point of nearest maximum relief not nearer the hole without penalty;

or,

outside the bunker  - as far back on the flagline as you like anywhere with a 1 stroke penalty.

 

Relief from unplayable ball in a bunker [R28]

Dropping in the bunker - within two club lengths of the ball or on the flagline as far back as you likewith a 1 stroke penalty.

Outside the bunker -  playing from where you played your previous stroke with a 1 stroke penalty (stroke and distance).  

Goodness know what happened to the last part of my answer above I can't even understand what I seem to have typed. 

I blame the Rioja.


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Posted 20 September 2017 - 04:18 PM

Goodness know what happened to the last part of my answer above I can't even understand what I seem to have typed. 

I blame the Rioja.

 

Robert Browning, the poet, is reputed to have said when asked what a line in a poem meant, "When I wrote that, Robert Browning and God knew what it meant; now only God knows."

 

Provided He has not been on the Rioja, the Almighty presumably still knows what you meant to say. :)






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