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#16 BarnEsy05

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:04 PM

Think the answer is a dedicated member of the club with a cart active on every members comp as a Marshall .

 

Not keeping up with the group in front , yellow and red cards , loss of strokes or points on the group depending on the comp being played on the day  .

 

Two shifts , morning and afternoon comp .

 

Cost to the club , a variety of services that the club provides , e.g. , a voucher for free drinks and meals for the Marshall and his partner or friend .

I do Marshal at a club, as a paid job, Bill, it's not ALL about keeping up with the group ahead, a couple of factors, ability, age also come into it. There are some groups of players that just can't get around as fast as say the first group. It's more about keeping up with the pace required to set a decent time rather than staying with the group ahead.

 

You can't penalise a group that is ahead of expected pace but has lost ground to the group ahead. 


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:06 PM

I do Marshal at a club, as a paid job, Bill, it's not ALL about keeping up with the group ahead, a couple of factors, ability, age also come into it. There are some groups of players that just can't get around as fast as say the first group. It's more about keeping up with the pace required to set a decent time rather than staying with the group ahead.

You can't penalise a group that is ahead of expected pace but has lost ground to the group ahead.


If they can't keep up they should be banned from playing in the morning, in my opinion. Slow groups at the front of the field really cause issues, especially in winter with less tee times and less daylight.
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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:07 PM

I am not sure how many members will volunteer to be a marshall. I personally don't agree with marshall's. As club members was should all understand the etiquette and have enough respect for each other to play in the agreed time.

As a member of golf clubs for at least 40 years , " understand etiquette and respect for each other  ".

Sorry but I think I am going to throw up .


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:07 PM

The size of the field, how many you have in your group etc

Sometimes it feels slow but doesn't actually take that long to play the round.

Exactly, that is because the field is too compressed and players are waiting on most tees. If the groups were spaced slightly more then the flow would be much better with less waiting. Comes back to management wanting too many players on the course.

 

Lost count of how many times members have said to me, gee it's slow today...umm, actually it is not too bad, just that you are right up the tail of the group ahead.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:09 PM

If they can't keep up they should be banned from playing in the morning, in my opinion. Slow groups at the front of the field really cause issues, especially in winter with less tee times and less daylight.

If only it was that easy...as I said, if a group has dropped off from the one ahead but is still ahead of pace then you can't punish them.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:12 PM

I agree with a lot of what you say Barnsey but I personally think 4:30 for stableford is too long. When I started playing 4 hours was the expected time. I would be happy if 4:15 was the norm or at least close to that most of the time.

It all comes down to the course...you can't expect the same time for a course that is tight, lots of hazards, slick greens maybe, compared to a wide open course with little trouble..it's all relative. Hmm, where have I heard that before  B)


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:14 PM

Exactly, that is because the field is too compressed and players are waiting on most tees. If the groups were spaced slightly more then the flow would be much better with less waiting. Comes back to management wanting too many players on the course.

Lost count of how many times members have said to me, gee it's slow today...umm, actually it is not too bad, just that you are right up the tail of the group ahead.


I am noticing the opposite a bit as well. Groups are spreading out too much which adds time to the round. If they could just keep touch with the group in front it would be fine.
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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:28 PM

I am noticing the opposite a bit as well. Groups are spreading out too much which adds time to the round. If they could just keep touch with the group in front it would be fine.

Not if they are holding their place...with a say nine minute gap instead of an 8 min gap at tee off, it would appear that they are spread a little more but it is about flow, keep moving and maintain that gap/time and there will be less waiting and good overall round times. 

 

This is where the course Marshal can tell them of how they are travelling relative to the rest of the field and advise accordingly.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:34 PM

Not if they are holding their place...with a say nine minute gap instead of an 8 min gap at tee off, it would appear that they are spread a little more but it is about flow, keep moving and maintain that gap/time and there will be less waiting and good overall round times.

This is where the course Marshal can tell them of how they are travelling relative to the rest of the field and advise accordingly.

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:35 PM

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:37 PM

Not if they are holding their place...with a say nine minute gap instead of an 8 min gap at tee off, it would appear that they are spread a little more but it is about flow, keep moving and maintain that gap/time and there will be less waiting and good overall round times.

This is where the course Marshal can tell them of how they are travelling relative to the rest of the field and advise accordingly.


Makes a lot of sense. I like to reach my shot when the group in front is still putting. Gives you time to analyse your shot and get ready to play. Also if you are in that position if you group loses a ball you have time to search without falling behind too much.
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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:41 PM

If only it was that easy...as I said, if a group has dropped off from the one ahead but is still ahead of pace then you can't punish them.


It depends, the rule is keep up with the group in front, so if both groups are slow then you can punish both.

I had this situation last Saturday. We were nearly a whole hole behind and I was aware of it, but we were well ahead of the group behind. The slow bloke in my group actually said "geez we're keeping good pace" and I told him we were actually behind and needed to play faster. He had no idea what was going on.

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:44 PM

One can have the best intentions and playing habits, but then one player's ball goes hiding in autumn leaves thus delaying play for some minutes (most stop looking in under 5 mins). Then you have a problem with another such ball.

A few more like that and the group, as well as all that follow are now 20 mins behind. Yet no-one was at fault.

If slow play is a problem, clean the course up. Get rid of the problem areas that have heaps of leaves, long grass, shrubs & trees that do down to the ground so you can't see a ball underneath, etc.

Six inch holes would save everyone some strokes, but that's a 'higher level' issue.

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:45 PM

It depends, the rule is keep up with the group in front, so if both groups are slow then you can punish both.
I had this situation last Saturday. We were nearly a whole hole behind and I was aware of it, but we were well ahead of the group behind. The slow bloke in my group actually said "geez we're keeping good pace" and I told him we were actually behind and needed to play faster. He had no idea what was going on.


There's a lot of that going on - the 'no idea' part.

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:49 PM

There's a lot of that going on - the 'no idea' part.


You would know plenty about that
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