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#1 Left is Dead

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 05:17 PM

When I started playing golf I saw it as a great way to unwind after a week of work or for the retired, a way to escape the missus for the day.  B) It was a leisurely day out and whilst we weren't slow, we weren't interested in "running" around the course. However times have changed and nearly everyone these days is time poor can't be seen to be taking the whole day out for a game.

 

Pace of Play has become a big talking point. In the latest Iseekgolf.com. news there is talk about a Green Card for golfers!

 

It talks about having to pass a test to prove that the player understands pace of play...I can't see this happening here and to me, seems ridiculous. Some clubs charge a fortune to join and then they want you to sit a test on slow play...crazy. At a time when many clubs are struggling, this would drive people away from the game, not encourage them to take it up.

 

It's up to the clubs to impress upon its members the etiquette for pace of play...it's not rocket science but seems to be something that golf clubs have trouble commandeering. The need to have a certain amount of players through on certain days (mainly Saturday comp) is a good starting point.

 

If you are trying to push 200+ through and the course has a capacity of 180 then no amount of educating members will solve the problem, there will be hold ups everywhere because the groups are hitting off too close together and there is just not enough hours of daylight (talking mainly winter here) to get everyone finished before the light has gone. It only takes one group to have a problem and that delay dominoes back through the field. The first few groups of the day might take 4hrs or less but if a group mid field has trouble and takes 4hrs 30 then that is the pace for all groups behind them..and so on if another strikes trouble.

 

Every golf course presents unique challenges therefore it cannot be assumed that say 4hrs 20 is the norm. Some are faster, some slower but if it takes 4hrs45+ at any course then management need to look hard at themselves and the practices they employ. 

 

There are many factors that go into the deciding pace of play of a course besides just the player. Management have to start taking a stronger approach. A "Green Card" won't make an iota of difference here.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 05:30 PM

Maybe a "RED CARD" for people who don't conform.    I could see you handing them out on a Saturday morning, Captain Marshall    :P  


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 05:32 PM

Maybe a "RED CARD" for people who don't conform.    I could see you handing them out on a Saturday morning, Captain Marshall    :P  

I like it!

 

Probably best to give a yellow first and then if they get a 2nd one...on your way pal, here's a red card.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:06 PM

When I started playing golf I saw it as a great way to unwind after a week of work or for the retired, a way to escape the missus for the day.  B) It was a leisurely day out and whilst we weren't slow, we weren't interested in "running" around the course. However times have changed and nearly everyone these days is time poor can't be seen to be taking the whole day out for a game.
 
Pace of Play has become a big talking point. In the latest Iseekgolf.com. news there is talk about a Green Card for golfers!
 
It talks about having to pass a test to prove that the player understands pace of play...I can't see this happening here and to me, seems ridiculous. Some clubs charge a fortune to join and then they want you to sit a test on slow play...crazy. At a time when many clubs are struggling, this would drive people away from the game, not encourage them to take it up.
 
It's up to the clubs to impress upon its members the etiquette for pace of play...it's not rocket science but seems to be something that golf clubs have trouble commandeering. The need to have a certain amount of players through on certain days (mainly Saturday comp) is a good starting point.
 
If you are trying to push 200+ through and the course has a capacity of 180 then no amount of educating members will solve the problem, there will be hold ups everywhere because the groups are hitting off too close together and there is just not enough hours of daylight (talking mainly winter here) to get everyone finished before the light has gone. It only takes one group to have a problem and that delay dominoes back through the field. The first few groups of the day might take 4hrs or less but if a group mid field has trouble and takes 4hrs 30 then that is the pace for all groups behind them..and so on if another strikes trouble.
 
Every golf course presents unique challenges therefore it cannot be assumed that say 4hrs 20 is the norm. Some are faster, some slower but if it takes 4hrs45+ at any course then management need to look hard at themselves and the practices they employ. 
 
There are many factors that go into the deciding pace of play of a course besides just the player. Management have to start taking a stronger approach. A "Green Card" won't make an iota of difference here.


I understood that the test was not just on pace of play but etiquette, etc. as well.

Otherwise, I agree entirely with your views.
There are many ways to improve pace of play and issuing licences is not one of them.
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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:20 PM

5 hours to play The Ridge ...... FFS bring out the cattle prod ....


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:39 PM

Had an interesting discussion about slow play with some other members today. I think the hardest thing is that everyone has a different view of an acceptable time to play. Some of the guys want 4 hours or less and others say that is not possible and 4 1/2 should be the target. They all say they pay their fees and expect to be able to at the pace they feel appropriate. Don't know what the answer is but I suspect the club won't have much luck changing their mindset without losing members.
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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:45 PM

Until people start thinking about someone other than themselves we will always have slow play issues. A lot of golfers I have seen can barely string together a sentence let alone understand the importance of pace of play. Simple time saving techniques can add up and save 20 mins plus over a round, but, a lot of golfers I've been grouped with are just too stupid to grasp the basics of time management.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:47 PM

5 hours to play The Ridge ...... FFS bring out the cattle prod ....

Council course, prod not big enough for general public choppers .


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:51 PM

Had an interesting discussion about slow play with some other members today. I think the hardest thing is that everyone has a different view of an acceptable time to play. Some of the guys want 4 hours or less and others say that is not possible and 4 1/2 should be the target. They all say they pay their fees and expect to be able to at the pace they feel appropriate. Don't know what the answer is but I suspect the club won't have much luck changing their mindset without losing members.

And that is just it, they all pay the same price and feel they can do what they want. It is up to the club to set a standard that is reasonable for all. 

 

I reckon 4hr30 is a fair time to set for a Stableford/Par round (depending on course difficulty) and 4hr40 for Stroke. If some want to do it in less than 4, fine, tee off first thing and you wont have a problem.

 

Club sets the boundaries and if someone doesn't like it then too bad, it's for the majority, they can go find a club that doesn't give a stuff.


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:55 PM

It's all relative.
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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:58 PM

Think the answer is a dedicated member of the club with a cart active on every members comp as a Marshall .

 

Not keeping up with the group in front , yellow and red cards , loss of strokes or points on the group depending on the comp being played on the day  .

 

Two shifts , morning and afternoon comp .

 

Cost to the club , a variety of services that the club provides , e.g. , a voucher for free drinks and meals for the Marshall and his partner or friend .


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:59 PM

And that is just it, they all pay the same price and feel they can do what they want. It is up to the club to set a standard that is reasonable for all.

I reckon 4hr30 is a fair time to set for a Stableford/Par round (depending on course difficulty) and 4hr40 for Stroke. If some want to do it in less than 4, fine, tee off first thing and you wont have a problem.

Club sets the boundaries and if someone doesn't like it then too bad, it's for the majority, they can go find a club that doesn't give a stuff.


I agree with a lot of what you say Barnsey but I personally think 4:30 for stableford is too long. When I started playing 4 hours was the expected time. I would be happy if 4:15 was the norm or at least close to that most of the time.
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Posted 08 June 2017 - 06:59 PM

It's all relative.

to....?


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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:02 PM

to....?


The size of the field, how many you have in your group etc

Sometimes it feels slow but doesn't actually take that long to play the round.
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Posted 08 June 2017 - 07:02 PM

Think the answer is a dedicated member of the club with a cart active on every members comp as a Marshall .

Not keeping up with the group in front , yellow and red cards , loss of strokes or points on the group depending on the comp being played on the day .

Two shifts , morning and afternoon comp .

Cost to the club , a variety of services that the club provides , e.g. , a voucher for free drinks and meals for the Marshall and his partner or friend .


I am not sure how many members will volunteer to be a marshall. I personally don't agree with marshall's. As club members was should all understand the etiquette and have enough respect for each other to play in the agreed time.




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