Jump to content


 

Photo

Shaft Education Please


  • Please log in to reply
23 replies to this topic

#1 *Mouldy

*Mouldy

    Mouldy has another lesson coming up

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15521 posts
  • LocationEating and Drinking somewhere

Posted 22 April 2017 - 03:10 PM

Started trying out the combinations of shafts and heads of my hybrids trying to work out what is best for me.

The 5 shafts are all the same brand, model and grip length.

The difference is length.

What I would like to know is what does the difference in the between logo and tip mean vs the difference in length between logo and grip.

I think the longer between logo and tip means it has more flex so easier to launch but less accurate. Plus the longer from logo to grip means a wider swing and more distance.

However, I could be 100% wrong.

Shanklink

 

OOM Tour

I am mid table mediocrity !

 

Baconwide Tour

Runner up 2015 Stink's 3 club challenge at Yarrambat

NAGA with Benny 2014 4bbb Championship at St Andrews Beach

 

Choppers Tour

Winner 2014 Ghetto's Placegetter Challenge at Sunshine

Winner 2015 Airy's invitational at Melbourne Airport

 

"not sure that makes sense but anyway"


#2 RobNewy

RobNewy

    Captain Spud

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9998 posts
  • LocationEast Melbourne

Posted 22 April 2017 - 06:20 PM

From tip to logo.

Shorter the diastance, the more its been tipped.
The more its been tipped the stiffer it will play
  • *Mouldy and Chunky McChunkerson like this

#3 Li Ning

Li Ning

    ISG AUSTRALIAN NATIONAL 4BBB CHAMPION, WITH HARRO

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 16197 posts
  • Location#KW #CHAMPION

Posted 22 April 2017 - 06:34 PM

Started trying out the combinations of shafts and heads of my hybrids trying to work out what is best for me.
The 5 shafts are all the same brand, model and grip length.
The difference is length.
What I would like to know is what does the difference in the between logo and tip mean vs the difference in length between logo and grip.
I think the longer between logo and tip means it has more flex so easier to launch but less accurate. Plus the longer from logo to grip means a wider swing and more distance.
*However, I could be 100% wrong.


Fixed
DEBUT: US Masters, Augusta National Golf Club, Augusta, GA 2016
DEBUT: ANA Inspirational LPGA Mission Hills, Palm Springs, CA 2016
Reacquainted myself with Karrie Webb, Australia's Greatest Golfer

#4 *Mouldy

*Mouldy

    Mouldy has another lesson coming up

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15521 posts
  • LocationEating and Drinking somewhere

Posted 22 April 2017 - 07:22 PM

From tip to logo.
Shorter the diastance, the more its been tipped.
The more its been tipped the stiffer it will play

That's what I figured but not sure about the other end. The distance from logo to butt end will affect swing weight but what else ?

Shaft D is longer than shaft E by 1/2" but tip trimmed more. Shaft D in the 27 deg head and shaft E in the 24 deg head worked best. That's logical In matching the stiffer shaft with more loft. The end result was both clubs going about the same distance although I wasn't focussing on that.

After checking the 18 and 21 deg combos I figure I just need to work out what logo to butt distance on the 27 gives me the 150m I want and then increase the tip to logo distance on the 24. I may keep the logo to butt difference the same unless I need more distance to reach 162m.

I was landing in a nice grouping with the 27 deg which is exciting.

Shanklink

 

OOM Tour

I am mid table mediocrity !

 

Baconwide Tour

Runner up 2015 Stink's 3 club challenge at Yarrambat

NAGA with Benny 2014 4bbb Championship at St Andrews Beach

 

Choppers Tour

Winner 2014 Ghetto's Placegetter Challenge at Sunshine

Winner 2015 Airy's invitational at Melbourne Airport

 

"not sure that makes sense but anyway"


#5 RobNewy

RobNewy

    Captain Spud

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9998 posts
  • LocationEast Melbourne

Posted 22 April 2017 - 07:35 PM

Logo to butt is called butt triming

But triming generally will make a shaft play softer

Whether its been tipped or butt trimmed wont make a difference in swing weight unless they are both done together, but that seems to defeat the purpose.

This may sound stupid, but...

Rob, dont focus on the tip trimming, butt trimming, logo up, logo down.

Usually as hybrids, fw woods get higher lofts, there is a shaft weight increase. If you factor that into your findings, your headvwill spin of its shoulders.

Mate, take all your shafts and heads, and go to the range.
If you need a180m club, tweak your bits until you find one that goes 180

#6 RobNewy

RobNewy

    Captain Spud

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 9998 posts
  • LocationEast Melbourne

Posted 22 April 2017 - 07:37 PM

By the way.

162m?

Arebyou taking the pisss or what?
  • Li Ning and Mr_C like this

#7 *Mouldy

*Mouldy

    Mouldy has another lesson coming up

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15521 posts
  • LocationEating and Drinking somewhere

Posted 22 April 2017 - 08:04 PM

By the way.
162m?
Arebyou taking the pisss or what?

I was at the range today doing the first study.

The 162m is obviously the rough average. Looking for 150, 162, 174 and 186 as the average result from the 4 clubs.

Aiming for a ball flight that means I can land on and hold the green in Summer with 24 and 27.

As soon as I can make sense of the combos I'll go to Keysie with real balls and check the distance gaps.

Shanklink

 

OOM Tour

I am mid table mediocrity !

 

Baconwide Tour

Runner up 2015 Stink's 3 club challenge at Yarrambat

NAGA with Benny 2014 4bbb Championship at St Andrews Beach

 

Choppers Tour

Winner 2014 Ghetto's Placegetter Challenge at Sunshine

Winner 2015 Airy's invitational at Melbourne Airport

 

"not sure that makes sense but anyway"


#8 golfguy33

golfguy33

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2071 posts

Posted 23 April 2017 - 10:41 AM

All matching shafts are supposed to start the same, as a raw uncut shaft eg: weight, length, kp and flex. I find that very rarely do a set of shafts have exactly the identical specs. They usually differ in flex and weight, sometimes by up to a full 10 cpm in flex and 5 grams in total weight. So I'd expect that the kp and torque might also vary because of the slight differences in weight and flex.

As the weight of shafts gets lighter the properties of those shafts seem to vary more than heavier ones.

 

The shafts that you are testing via tip length and total length could easily be flawed because the shafts were never frequency tested and matched from the beginning. So even though you are putting the longest tip section into the lowest or highest lofted heads, it could've been the strongest flexed shaft from the start. 1" tip trim might only bring shaft B to the same cpm as shaft A and so on.

 

Eg: I give you 8 parallel DG S300 shafts to go into a set of irons and you line them up and tip trim them, typically 2" off for 5 iron and 1/2" increments up or down from there. The frequency range of that set of blank shafts might have been 304 to 314 cpm. So if you put the 314 shaft into the 5 iron and tip trim it 2" guess what, that is the shaft that would've best suited the PW and the 304 should have gone into the 3 iron because it was the softest shaft and would be tipped the least amount.

 

The OEM don't frequency match or sort shafts and that's why off the shelf gear can play all over the place, buyer beware. I will quite often test several shafts to find the one that is in between flexes, medium stiff or abit stronger than senior flex etc. But as you know I look at this area from a fitting/building point of view and getting it right is just part of the normal finished product.

 

Jon...  


  • RobNewy and seve_ like this

#9 OldBogey

OldBogey

    Spelling commando

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 21828 posts
  • LocationRegional Victoria

Posted 23 April 2017 - 10:57 AM

As Jon knows, I'm a fan of having the clubs set up properly in the first place.  Then there are no excuses.

 

However, while a scratch golfer may be able to detect if one of his clubs is a bit 'off', a hacker like me has to wonder if it's the club or me. The obvious conclusion is that it's far more likely to be me.

 

The question here is whether Mouldy could tell the difference.  Having the technical knowledge is one thing, but being able to utilise that is a whole new ball game.

 

Good luck with it Mouldy.  Have you got your frequency meter set up yet?


  • Toph likes this

#10 hack2489

hack2489

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 100 posts
  • LocationNorthern NSW

Posted 23 April 2017 - 11:48 AM

...

 

Usually as hybrids, fw woods get higher lofts, there is a shaft weight increase. If you factor that into your findings, your head will spin of its shoulders.

...

 

Nope. I was already there after reading this:

 

 

...

I think the longer between logo and tip means it has more flex so easier to launch but less accurate. Plus the longer from logo to grip means a wider swing and more distance.

...

 

I got stuck on the placement of the logo. Are they all in the same place?

 

And, where do you measure from, some logos run along the shaft don't they?

 

:unsure:


  • RobNewy likes this

#11 *Mouldy

*Mouldy

    Mouldy has another lesson coming up

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15521 posts
  • LocationEating and Drinking somewhere

Posted 23 April 2017 - 12:20 PM

Nope. I was already there after reading this:
 
 

 
I got stuck on the placement of the logo. Are they all in the same place?
 
And, where do you measure from, some logos run along the shaft don't they?
 
:unsure:

I was using simple descriptive language. The actual is from gradations where the shaft increases in diameter. From this you can compare how much tip trimming has been done. I reiterate that all 5 shafts are the same make and model. However they came from 3 different sources. 2 new via Jon, 2 from the leftovers of a fitting cart at Jons and one new bought from Drummonds.

Shanklink

 

OOM Tour

I am mid table mediocrity !

 

Baconwide Tour

Runner up 2015 Stink's 3 club challenge at Yarrambat

NAGA with Benny 2014 4bbb Championship at St Andrews Beach

 

Choppers Tour

Winner 2014 Ghetto's Placegetter Challenge at Sunshine

Winner 2015 Airy's invitational at Melbourne Airport

 

"not sure that makes sense but anyway"


#12 ink

ink

    Power in (p)ink

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 32444 posts
  • Location#keepfighting

Posted 23 April 2017 - 03:12 PM

Butt trimming....

#13 GPJ_Longdriver

GPJ_Longdriver

    Long Iron Appreciation Society President.

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18531 posts
  • LocationReclinng in The Bahamas ... in my mind.

Posted 23 April 2017 - 05:29 PM

Started trying out the combinations of shafts and heads of my hybrids trying to work out what is best for me.

 

 

Long irons, knobhead!! :D


  • Kiwi likes this
http://www.golf.org....icap/3160102708


Le Hole in 1 (#1) ..... Beaconhills 30/06/2013 6th Hole - Mizuno MP 68 7 iron / TM Lethal ball.
Le Hole in 1 (#2) ...... Beaconhills 09/08/2014 6th Hole - Mizuno MP 68 7 iron / TM Lethal ball.
Le Hole in 1 (#3) ...... Beaconhills 22/02/2015 6th Hole - Mizuno MP 68 7 iron / Titleist NXT Tour ball.

2015 Cardinia Beaconhills - Captain's Trophy Winner
2016 Cardinia Beaconhills - Captain's Trophy Winner (Pending successful legal action)

EVENT WINS
2012 Rotary Charity Day Dream Team
2013 Cardinia Beaconhills Invitational Classic
2014 Cardinia Beaconhills Invitational Classic
2014 W.A. Invitational Classic (Joondalup)
2016 W.A. Invitational Classic (Albany)
2017 W.A. Invitational Classic (The Cut)
2017 Baconwide Tour 4BBB Flinders -with Chip In King
Stink / GPJ Trophy - Lowest Score Off The Stick (OOM's) - Sandhurst, Settlers Run, Growling Frog.

President of ISeekGolf - Long Iron Appreciation Society.
"Caffeine n Darts" - Proud sponsors of GPJ Golfing 2016.

#14 Toph

Toph

    No golf allowed

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 4521 posts
  • LocationProbably at work

Posted 23 April 2017 - 06:16 PM

Butt trimming....

A long tip......
I'm just pissed off OK? Don't ask.
READ EM AND WEEP
http://www.golflink....k_No=4072302355

#15 Commish

Commish

    No Rhyme Nor Reason

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 12484 posts
  • LocationSydney

Posted 23 April 2017 - 08:47 PM

Butt trimming....

 

As opposed to Anal Adjusting


The key to success is to learn to do something right, then do it right every time. Oh I wish.....
Three time winner of the treasured WBT.
2012 ISG National Champs 2nd Round winner @ Robina Woods
2013 ISG National Champs 1st Round winner @ 'The Dunes'
2014 ISG National Champs - Top 10 finish - Played like a girl - MUNT GOLFER

2015 ISG National Champs - Deservedly crowned the National  N.A.G.A.
2016 ISG National Champs 4BBB champion with Francie

 

Hole in One - Rosnay GC, 157 metre Par 3 - 27th February 2015

http://www.golflink....k_no=2030804409





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users