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#1 voss

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 08:51 AM

Not looking for a ruling here more of an opinion as to the addition of a local rule where Tree Roots come into play and have the potential to cause injury and/or club damage.  

 

Does your course choose to have a Local Rule for Tree Roots ?

 

Has it been considered and then denied ?



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Posted 01 April 2017 - 12:33 PM

Here is the guidance for the Committee:

 

Decision 33-8/8 Local Rule Providing Relief from Tree Roots

 

Q. May a Committee make a Local Rule providing relief without penalty if a player's stroke is interfered with by exposed tree roots?
 
A. A Local Rule is authorized only if an abnormal condition exists. Generally, the existence of exposed tree roots is not abnormal. However, if the exposed tree roots are encroaching on to the fairway, a Committee would be authorized to make a Local Rule providing relief under Rule 25-1 for interference from exposed tree roots when a ball lies on a closely-mown area. The Committee may restrict relief to interference for the lie of ball and the area of intended swing.

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 02:18 PM

We dont have any trees let alone tree roots

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 05:42 PM

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 11:33 AM

Not looking for a ruling here more of an opinion as to the addition of a local rule where Tree Roots come into play and have the potential to cause injury and/or club damage.  

 

Does your course choose to have a Local Rule for Tree Roots ?

 

Has it been considered and then denied ?

 

 

 

Here is the guidance for the Committee:

 

Decision 33-8/8 Local Rule Providing Relief from Tree Roots

 

Q. May a Committee make a Local Rule providing relief without penalty if a player's stroke is interfered with by exposed tree roots?
 
A. A Local Rule is authorized only if an abnormal condition exists. Generally, the existence of exposed tree roots is not abnormal. However, if the exposed tree roots are encroaching on to the fairway, a Committee would be authorized to make a Local Rule providing relief under Rule 25-1 for interference from exposed tree roots when a ball lies on a closely-mown area. The Committee may restrict relief to interference for the lie of ball and the area of intended swing.

 

 

Despite the official position, lots of clubs have 'tree root relief' and not just on fairways.

 

Old pine trees, in particular, often have exposed tree roots which are effective in stopping balls next to them and have high potential to cause injury from deflected balls, broken clubs, etc. should a player try to play it as it lies.

 

The official position is that one may take 'unplayable' relief, but most people would try to play their way out rather than accept a penalty.


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 07:59 PM

Why? It is the players decision to play the ball or declare it unplayable.therefore it is his/her responsibility to weigh up the risks.

How many rules do you believe we should mess with to protect some (very few ) players from their own stupidity? 

BTW it is not only pine trees that have surface roots,


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Posted 02 April 2017 - 08:48 PM

As above, the risk does lie with the player and if injury or equipment damage is a possibility then he or she must make a decision to play or accept a one shot penalty. But surely the club has some responsibility in providing a safe environment where minimal risk is to the player.

If a local rule isn't applied is it possible to make a dangerous area GUR ?

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 09:57 PM

As above, the risk does lie with the player and if injury or equipment damage is a possibility then he or she must make a decision to play or accept a one shot penalty. But surely the club has some responsibility in providing a safe environment where minimal risk is to the player.If a local rule isn't applied is it possible to make a dangerous area GUR ?


If you want to be pedantic about it, just turn over a few sods near the tree roots and mark off the area as GUR.

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 08:07 AM

As above, the risk does lie with the player and if injury or equipment damage is a possibility then he or she must make a decision to play or accept a one shot penalty. But surely the club has some responsibility in providing a safe environment where minimal risk is to the player.

If a local rule isn't applied is it possible to make a dangerous area GUR ?

There is nothing dangerous about an area of exposed tree roots until some over ambitious amateur decides that he can play the ball where it lies. it is then the players responsibility if he hurts himself or damages his gear. It is generally accepted that there should not be exposed tree roots on the fairway.  Elsewhere you get what you get. There are much more dangerous things on many golf courses than a few exposed roots.


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 09:51 AM

I played recently on a course that had Tree Roots as a local rule hence my post requesting further discussion.

 

My major concern is player injury, injury that can keep a player out for weeks. The one shot penalty scenario, in declaring an unplayable lie is not the issue.

 

Ground staff and Match Committee know the affected areas on their courses and if it is deemed as dangerous then maybe a Local Rule can be introduced.



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Posted 03 April 2017 - 10:49 AM

If ground staff did their job properly, they'd get some dirt and turf and cover the roots.


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 11:31 AM

If ground staff did their job properly, they'd get some dirt and turf and cover the roots.

and herein lies a major issue with unqualified advice to ground staff. 

 

it looks like we can add aboriculture to the list of things Obe is not so proficient in. 

 

 

 

for those playing along at home, don't put any fill or turf over the tree roots of an existing tree, the more mature the tree, the higher the chance of killing the tree.

here is the first site I came across in a search to give some more details

http://treelogic.com...-in-soil-level/


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Posted 03 April 2017 - 12:40 PM

I was thinking of all those rotten old pine trees that seem to proliferate on golf courses and their roots just ooze out of the ground causing a tripping hazard as well as impeding one's golf.

 

If they died off, so much the better.  Put in something that is not so problematic.



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Posted 03 April 2017 - 12:51 PM

I was thinking of all those rotten old pine trees that seem to proliferate on golf courses and their roots just ooze out of the ground causing a tripping hazard as well as impeding one's golf.

 

If they died off, so much the better.  Put in something that is not so problematic.

so like a ticking time-bomb, you'd kill it and then wait for it to fall down on top of someone. 

 

but you're right, I guess stubbing your toe would hurt.  


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